Liverpool (H) | Post match thread

[DrBlueBob]

I don’t think it was even close enough to merit any sort of coverage to be honest.

Fair dos mate. Again thanks for the response. VVD should have been sent off for it regardless. :-)

 

[Phil1]

Of course I do, I just don't think we have the squad depth to challenge on three fronts. Our squad was stronger last season was it not?

But Liverpool do? We've just played the supposedly bestest team in the world off the park and you think that proves we don't have a squad that can win the league? The mental gymnastics involved in that thought process is impressive.

 

[Chris in London]

has anyone seen the replay of the van dyke challenge on jesus,in the first half van dyke got far to close to allison , gabby nipped in and it looked like van dyke legged gabby up, they didn't show a replay ?

No, haven't seen the foden goal either

 

[adelaideblue]

Christ...that should be an easy pass to Foden for a virtual tap in. Never realised from my seat that he chose to try an execute such a difficult finish with Phil onside and facing goal.

Thought he was going to square it to Foden, having said that it should have been a straight forward chip over Allisson

 

[Robanompivenov]

Oh god that's so much worse than it looked before. 10 yard gap to pass through and it's an open goal tap in.

It does look bad. He messed the whole opportunity up with the touch he takes in this still - he has to check and pause to get the ball out of his feet for the next action. A better first touch and the pass/shot is much easier.

 

[Katsunari Takayama]

Barely remember a thing after Kev’s goal so the post match thread has been a very useful and interesting read for me this morning. The consensus seems to be that we were much the better team and should’ve won. Anybody know what the xg stat was ?

So we’re the best team in the country and we’re top of the league with 7 games to play. Our 4th title in 5 seasons is solely in our hands now - can’t ask for more than that

 

[Chris in London]

It’s a joke isn’t it, I normally resort to rewinding the virgin box & playing it in slow-mo (it’s actually really good) the Jesus tackle does look like he played through the man to win the ball & was a touch unfortunate, many of those incidents went unpunished & added to the game. The penalty incident isn’t very clear but with the tech available to VAR a pen should’ve been given, vvd panics when he sees Gabby getting on the wrong side of him, sticks out a leg which impedes Gabby, who doesn’t even make a play for the ball (due to the contact) & gets clattered off Alisson who does make connection with the ball. At 1-0 this had a massive bearing on the game, I haven’t seen another replay on any network or ref watch (if it’s been on) but it’ll probably be explained away as initial contact was just outside the box therefore var can’t intervene

I seem to remember a very large number of comments about a similar ish penalty claim Newcastle had when we played them earlier in the season.

Can't think why the same voices aren't being heard now.

 

[Chris B]

Barely remember a thing after Kev’s goal so the post match thread has been a very useful and interesting read for me this morning. The consensus seems to be that we were much the better team and should’ve won. Anybody know what the xg stat was ?

So we’re the best team in the country and we’re top of the league with 7 games to play. Our 4th title in 5 seasons is solely in our hands now - can’t ask for more than that

The xg was something like 1.20 to us 1.22 to them.

 

[Phil1]

The xg was something like 1.20 to us 1.22 to them.

That doesn't make sense to me? How can they have a better xg when they had about 5x less chances than us? I suppose its not beyond the realms that I don't understand how it's meant to work.

 

[Chris in London]

Marginal decisions were supposed to be given on side. Except when it's against Livarpool clearly.

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/eng...l-whats-new-in-the-premier-league-for-2021-22

There is, IIRC, actually a ruling that says that offside should be judged at the moment when the player making the pass actually makes contact with the ball for his pass, not when the ball is released.

So why is it that on the NBC freeze frame, like the one sky used after Raheem scored, at the point he plays the ball Kevin's right leg is more or less upright, but on the freeze frame used by VAR his leg is extended and the ball is, as many have said, elongated due to the freeze frame. In other words, it's not when his foot makes contact with the ball, it's as it leaves it.

So why did VAR use the wrong frame? To my mind that can only be deliberate.

 

[domalino]

 

[dublinblue12]

Thank fuck Ed didnt let that pass back roll in first half, would have been slippy Stevie G esque moment to lose the title

 

[Chris B]

That doesn't make sense to me? How can they have a better xg when they had about 5x less chances than us? I suppose its not beyond the realms that I don't understand how it's meant to work.

That’s how I saw it too, this is the xg chart, can’t find the final figures written anywhere but this shows I remembered it about right. They had three clear chances which boosts their xg even though they did nothing else, we steadily piled on the pressure without creating the same clear openings - according to this.

 

[paulchapo]

Now the adrenaline from the game has subsided and I've slept on it my feeling today is we let them off the hook. We should be four points clear but I'll take the positive, it's still in our hands.

Having watched the game back Ederson should have done better on their first goal. He has to save that. I know he's great with his feet and passing ( one blip aside yesterday) and yes he does make some good saves but he's culpable on letting in some soft ones too. A bit like peak Hart with his left side weakness.


Taylor is getting praise for letting the game flow but there's a difference in doing that and ignoring bad fouls that should be yellows. Liverpool could easily have had two sent off yesterday if he'd done his job properly. Also he was quick to book one of our most tenacious tacklers, Bernardo, meaning he had to tread carefully for most of the game. The Foden "goal" he shouldn't have blown so quickly but let it play out and let var check if there was a foul in the build up.

Jesus on the whole had a good game but he's been here a while now to know he needs to pass instead of going for personal glory in trying to score from impossible angles. A cooler head and a pass and we could have scored a couple more.

We have to win all our games now as I think Liverpool will win all theirs. Sure we're the better side but they're more clinical up front and will probably score every game, meaning the opposition had to score twice to bear them. That's a big ask.

 

[Bazzmand Show]

Forgot how bad that Sterling miss was at the start of the game, yeah we scored shortly after - but my god....

 

[simon23]

A number of things are clear from the performance and from Peps reaction after the game

1. We are the better team- we play the better football, we will play the same way no matter who we play (with tactical tweeks here and there) - Liverpool played with fear especially in the first half and there intesity which personified them in the first couple of seasons under klopp seems to have gone - their front 3 are as good as anyone in world football (clinical) and their defence is very solid (except TAA who is defesively a huge weakness for them). Their build up is pretty direct where as we mix it up and their midfield is not creative. However also defensively Liverpool can be rattled....We had Dias missing yesterday an on the odd occasion Stones/Laporte looked a little shaky --- take VVD out of Liverpools back line and they would be in big trouble...something no one has seemed to mention after yesterdays game...if VVD had been missing it would have been mentioned over and over again.

2. Pep always says its more about the performance than the result (though he knows he will be judged on results) - that game typified what he means for me.....The performance was outstanding (baring the first 5-10 mins of the second half) but Pep knows (and for at least this season he has come to terms with it) our weakness is putting the ball in the back of the net without world class finishers - he knows this needs to be addressed and knows it could be the difference in winningthe title this season or not...for me his post match interview seemed to suggest that he knows it will be very close and knows that if we dont win the title it will be because of this (not putting the ball in the back of the net) - -but he is extremely happy with how the team is performing as a whole

 

[Newquayblue]

Yesterday proved to me we are better than them.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

I'm starting to get pissed off how Liverpool's narrative is being attached to our own achievements and greatness over the five or six years.

The difference between the teams yesterday was there for all to see, as is the fact, Pep has had Klopp's number in all the games since the Champions League exit to them.

Tactically, style, results, trophies,goals, clean sheets, we are ahead in every metric.

It's even got to the point now where the media are manipulating the stats to not factor in in our 2018 title win, as that would obviously evidence the points/trophies by both teams since then has a big differential.

I read yesterday that Pep is three games short of quickest to 200 Prem League wins - despite playing thirty-odd games less than Klopp and arriving a year later.

Liverpool are ruthless up top, but I believe Klopp is struggling to keep the rest of the team up with them and will have to evolve against City with that defence and midfield.

 

[Otamendi's Beard]

Hardly any mention of the Fabinho tackle anywhere. That's a blatant red card!!

 

[simon23]

The Foden "goal" he shouldn't have blown so quickly but let it play out and let var check if there was a foul in the build up.

Thought the exact same thing..I was under the impression that VAR had to chec something if a goal was scored.....I know the ref blew before Foden hit the ball so does that cancel that out ....

I was under the impression VAR hd to check. if a goal was scored