Liverpool - post match thread.

Just dont play Kolarov ever again!!! . Would rather Clichy (just) or get Zab to cover left back with Sagna on the right. Delph can play left back at a push (he's played there before in his career).
 
For some reason, beyond my understanding, I watched it again today.
We actually defended reasonably well - the goal aside. But going forward we were totally inept.
 
FanchesterCity said:
No, I didn't say it's who wins the game... but it's a team that influences the game in their favour in order to win. I didn't see that from City. I thought Liverpool adapted to going 1-0 up and thus 'controlled' the game more than we did. They didn't adopt their usual style of all guns blazing, they reduced their attack in order the maintain a lead - and I see that as controlling the game, better, or at the very least as well as we did.
My argument is that having possession is not the same as controlling the game. Controlling is more complex and subtle than 'who has the ball'. For me, football is just as much about defending as attacking, and just as much about tactics too. Overall, they had a chance, took it, and defended it. 3 points to them. It's very hard to reconcile the notion of us 'controlling' the game when we come away with no points. It feels like saying 'I controlled the car and crashed it'. If we did 'control' it, then we certainly didn't control it very well.

It's semantics really, I just don't believe having possession means you deserve to win, or that it means you controlled the game - it just means you played attack, and they played defence. at any point in time, 21 players in the game do not have the ball.
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Game management - and Fanchester is absolutely spot on.

Liverpool played 'differently' to how they usually play and this has been perceived as 'not very good' by a lot, some of which being their own fans, and even James Milner.

They are missing the point.

Their manager showed he can adapt, win games in a different way, mould his team to the scenario.

Something ours is yet to show me.
 
Or maybe it will take longer than 6 months for Pep to get his ideas across to the players s also bring in the players he needs and wants. Did Klopp smash it within 6 months at Liverpool, no he didn't. Apart from the goal did Klopp's Liverpool offer anything else , nope.

These things take time, and we all knew our squad needed an overhaul especially in defence
 
BlueAnorak said:
For some reason, beyond my understanding, I watched it again today.
We actually defended reasonably well - the goal aside. But going forward we were totally inept.
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Agreed
And we've spent well over 100 million since Pellers left and lost our goalie

And yet we still look the same imo (with an inferior goalie)
 
Really think some people are happier when we lose so they can claim every statement or gripe they've said previously is somehow true.

As for the game we were away at Liverpool, a loss shouldn't be that much of a shock(I even predicted a loss). We didn't get outplayed, Bravo had very little to do and it felt like that goal came from nothing really, one mistake by Kolarov and a good cross and that was it. I don't think it was a good game from either side, both sides showing some very sloppy passing really.

This performance being lumped with our other disappointing results so far is wrong though, we dominated possession(I don't buy that they let us have it because it's safer to have the ball if you're holding onto a lead) but we normally create chances and this game is the exception because we can't really say we created many chances at all(besides Silva's shot and Aguero's too) which Pep will take very seriously I imagine.
 
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cleavers said:
He wasn't too slow to get back though, he was back, and got in a good position before the cross, he just didn't watch the scorer as he then let him back in front of him, it was nothing to do with his pace, but his poor defending.

However as I asked last night, where were the 2 CB's in that move, and how did they manage to get the ball through our midfield, from right corner to left corner of the pitch, to Lallana with such ease for the cross, and where was the challenge on the cross ? Kolarovs part in the goal was certainly poor, but most of the team played some part in how crap it was.

We are so easily bypassed at times, that you can almost call a goal when the ball is still in the opposition final third, once we give it away. Its a team thing not an individual thing, yes he should have done better with the pass from Yaya, and certainly with a challenge on the guy who scored, but there is more to it than just Kolarov's input.
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Good post.
 
nimrod said:
Agreed
And we've spent well over 100 million since Pellers left and lost our goalie

And yet we still look the same imo (with an inferior goalie)
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We are building a Bentley, but we still have an old Jag engine under the bonnet and need a good brake job on the back wheels.

Does that help you understand what's going on?

Interior is done, chassis is done, bodywork looks fantastic, but still needs some work under the hood before we can put it on the line with the Porsches, Mercs, Ferraris, etc... Even without the new engine and brake job, though, we are still in the race, but there are concerns that the brakes are weak and the engine might not last the course.
 
BlueMoonz1977 said:
Or maybe it will take longer than 6 months for Pep to get his ideas across to the players s also bring in the players he needs and wants. Did Klopp smash it within 6 months at Liverpool, no he didn't. Apart from the goal did Klopp's Liverpool offer anything else , nope.

These things take time, and we all knew our squad needed an overhaul especially in defence
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Midfield we need two physically strong players with pace who can press and run all day along and protect the defence with a striker who can get on the end of a cross
 
ChicagoBlue said:
We are building a Bentley, but we still have an old Jag engine under the bonnet and need a good brake job on the back wheels.

Does that help you understand what's going on?

Interior is done, chassis is done, bodywork looks fantastic, but still needs some work under the hood before we can put it on the line with the Porsches, Mercs, Ferraris, etc... Even without the new engine and brake job, though, we are still in the race, but there are concerns that the brakes are weak and the engine might not last the course.
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Looks like the Bentley is in reverse to me
 
nimrod said:
Crazy statement
Every City fan I've ever met in my 55 years of being a blue loves winning

But they hate lack of effort
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Yeah ok maybe a bit far that one, some really go to town with their doom and gloom though you have to admit.
 
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