Liverpool terror attack

That does not explain why we are targeted rather than the Burmese. It is my belief that we are targeted due to politics rather than any religious ideology.

I agree with you that we are not targeted due to religious ideology. The more so in that the vast majority of inhabitants of the U.K. are not practicing Christians. Which even the terrorist nutcases know.
So — which politics exactly?
 
I agree with you that we are not targeted due to religious ideology. The more so in that the vast majority of inhabitants of the U.K. are not practicing Christians. Which even the terrorist nutcases know.
So — which politics exactly?
Everyone who doesn’t practice their flavour of extreme Wahhabism is an infidel who needs putting to death, including other Muslims. The West receives less terror attacks than Muslim majority populations in the East. With that said this is looking less like a coordinated attack by an Islamist group and more like just one mental **** who wasn’t all there in the head.
 
Everyone who doesn’t practice their flavour of extreme Wahhabism is an infidel who needs putting to death, including other Muslims. The West receives less terror attacks than Muslim majority populations in the East. With that said this is looking less like a coordinated attack by an Islamist group and more like just one mental **** who wasn’t all there in the head.
Is anyone prepared to blow themselves up as well as any random and innocent bystander, regardless of race, religion, skin colour, ethnicity or gender, all there in the head?
 
Is anyone prepared to blow themselves up as well as any random and innocent bystander, regardless of race, religion, skin colour, ethnicity or gender, all there in the head?
All there in the head is a poor choice of words from me. There is a difference with being actually mentally ill with a condition and being someone who isn’t mentally ill but has been indoctrinated so far that they commit such an evil act. I think this guy was the former. No excuse though, diagnosable mentally ill or not, you’re an evil **** who deserves hell.
 
I agree with you that we are not targeted due to religious ideology. The more so in that the vast majority of inhabitants of the U.K. are not practicing Christians. Which even the terrorist nutcases know.
So — which politics exactly?
Their politics is about power. Persia was affluent, modern, fancy cars/clothes and the Shah was a friend of Britain and the U.S. Then Ayatollah Khomeini started preaching his anti west rhetoric, suddenly he is the big cheese and Iran was born.
He became one of the most feared and powerful leaders in the Middle East. Other zealots saw and copied.
It's quite funny but back then Saddam was our bessie mate. The mighty Iraq fighting for freedom and justice against the terrorist Iraq.
 

Thanks for posting that. I would ask posters to listen to it. What is happening in Burma is heartbreaking. The west lauded Ang Sun Su Chi as a hero, she was anything but, she was as bad as the army, a murderer.
What they are doing is genocide and it is being ignored.
 
So invading a country is worse than what the Bhuddist military junta is doing to the Rhohingas ! They have effectively stated the Rohinga do not exist which is why over a million people have had to flee to Bangladesh The Burmese are murdering them without any retribution. What we have done pales into insignificance to the current whole scale slaughter of a group of people.

I don’t think you want to get into a game of ‘Atrocity Top Trumps’. Suffice to say the British Empire was not run as an overseas charity.

Our past and recent involvement in the Middle East means we will be a focus. Burma is not. Reality is a bitch and all that.
 
Their politics is about power. Persia was affluent, modern, fancy cars/clothes and the Shah was a friend of Britain and the U.S. Then Ayatollah Khomeini started preaching his anti west rhetoric, suddenly he is the big cheese and Iran was born.
He became one of the most feared and powerful leaders in the Middle East. Other zealots saw and copied.
It's quite funny but back then Saddam was our bessie mate. The mighty Iraq fighting for freedom and justice against the terrorist Iraq.
Iran was doing well when Mosaddegh was in charge nationalising oil which USA and UK wanted to keep so they intervened and put the Shah dictatorship in charge so they could still have direct access to the oil, and it was a brutal regime. Khomeini was a response to US meddling, and they reaped exactly what they sewed.
 
I don’t think you want to get into a game of ‘Atrocity Top Trumps’. Suffice to say the British Empire was not run as an overseas charity.

Our past and recent involvement in the Middle East means we will be a focus. Burma is not. Reality is a bitch and all that.
I was pointing out that it is too simplistic to say it is all about British imperialism. The US is the main target and I don't recall them being very British, not after they threw our tea overboard.
 
I was pointing out that it is too simplistic to say it is all about British imperialism. The US is the main target and I don't recall them being very British, not after they threw our tea overboard.
Britain seems like a soft target for terrorists. The Atlantic Ocean is a powerful barrier to entry, which is why we look very closely at who crosses the southern and northern borders. Canada is an even larger, and often more welcoming and liberal, melting pot than the US. That feels like a threat to many Americans.
 
Iran was doing well when Mosaddegh was in charge nationalising oil which USA and UK wanted to keep so they intervened and put the Shah dictatorship in charge so they could still have direct access to the oil, and it was a brutal regime. Khomeini was a response to US meddling, and they reaped exactly what they sewed.
That is twisting the truth to fit what you want it to be. Yes the U.S. and U.K. supported an internal coup but we didn't put the Shah in charge, he took over after power was retaken. His father was the previous Shah. This was many years before the revolution
 
Their politics is about power. Persia was affluent, modern, fancy cars/clothes and the Shah was a friend of Britain and the U.S. Then Ayatollah Khomeini started preaching his anti west rhetoric, suddenly he is the big cheese and Iran was born.
He became one of the most feared and powerful leaders in the Middle East. Other zealots saw and copied.
It's quite funny but back then Saddam was our bessie mate. The mighty Iraq fighting for freedom and justice against the terrorist Iraq.
Not really I think Churchill once send in relation to Germany invading Russia " If Hitler invaded hell I would at least make a favourable reference to the devil in the house of commons*
 
That is twisting the truth to fit what you want it to be. Yes the U.S. and U.K. supported an internal coup but we didn't put the Shah in charge, he took over after power was retaken. His father was the previous Shah. This was many years before the revolution

Are you a professor of Middle Eastern studies? :)

You seem to have been posting a few things today that don't stand up to even the slightest of scrutiny.

The background of the 1953 coup was Mossagegh's desire first to audit the Anglo-Iranian oil company and then when they refused to play ball, his plans to nationalise it.

 
I was pointing out that it is too simplistic to say it is all about British imperialism. The US is the main target and I don't recall them being very British, not after they threw our tea overboard.

Well, if you’re going to ignore the last 50 odd years of US involvement in the Middle East then knock yourself out. The US was labelled the ‘Great Satan‘, invaded Iraq, bankrolls Israel and ratted out on treaty they signed with Iran, and you’re puzzled why no one is attacking Burma?

I‘m not even arguing the merits or the rights and wrongs here, just pointing out the reality.
 
Nobody is attacking Burma because the Islamic State view the Muslims there as infidels anyway. They hate other Muslims just as much as us.

The UK and the West grabs the headlines when a bomb goes off, which shouldn’t be the case but it is globally.
 
I was pointing out that it is too simplistic to say it is all about British imperialism. The US is the main target and I don't recall them being very British, not after they threw our tea overboard.
Which event most historians now say never happened. Was a piece of anti British propaganda. Restore the colonies!
 
We didn’t demonise Irish Catholics at all in the 60s, 70s and 80s -that simply didn’t happen to any significant degree.
Yeah, it did. I was spat at and punched on public transport in the 80s because of my Irish accent. Luckily I'm built like a brick shithouse and have a terrible temper. The cowardly cunts didn't try it twice. And both my mum and dad were told to "go back home, Micks".
 
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