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Re: Liverpool Thread 2012
I surprised spuds owners haven't recommended their boss...
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Liverpool Thread 2011/12
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more lazy than useless
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Re: Liverpools dream replacement for "King" Kenny says NO....
How much did he buy the club for, wasn't it only £300million? I'm not sure how much of his own money went into the transfers etc (if any) so he doesn't need to ask outrageous money if he wants to sell it again. Could probably make a profit on it now (although a small profit in relative terms) so there may be some temptation to call it a day.
Would still expect him to look long term though and think that if he can get through the next few years, steady the ship etc, etc, then there is a nice steady profit to be made.
gordondaviesmoustache said:We are witnessing the ongoing decline of a once great football club play out in front of our eyes.
Have NESV got the stomach for the fight? I suspect the answer to that question at the moment is yes, but not for much longer imo.
Anyone who has been to Anfield in the last few years will attest to the fact that the stadium looks old and tired. There is little or no evidence that Liverpool City Council are showing any meaningful desire to realise the club's ambitions to increase its capacity by whatever means necessary, which is vital if they are to even contemplate competing at the top table ever again.
I suspect that Henry et al are finding the locals a little less charming and quaint now that they have had to endure their capacity to moan like no other fans in football and I see no reason why that relationship is going to do anything other than deteriorate in the months ahead.
Add into the mix the Americans obvious bafflement at the vagaries of football's transfer set up and their hopelessly naive, and quite frankly arrogant assumption that they could teach us Limey simpletons how it's done via the moneyball system and you have a cocktail which I reckon will conspire to make them cut their losses and run within twelve months.
Henry isn't the first businessman to buy a declining brand without realising the size of the task required to turn it round. And like so many clever and single-minded men before him as soon as he realises this, he will cut and run before you can say 'istree. He will come to recognise fairly soon that he has taken on something that he is totally unequipped to deal with and things could get very interesting from that point onwards.
Still, I'm sure it'll still be united's biggest game whatever happens.
How much did he buy the club for, wasn't it only £300million? I'm not sure how much of his own money went into the transfers etc (if any) so he doesn't need to ask outrageous money if he wants to sell it again. Could probably make a profit on it now (although a small profit in relative terms) so there may be some temptation to call it a day.
Would still expect him to look long term though and think that if he can get through the next few years, steady the ship etc, etc, then there is a nice steady profit to be made.
The Fat el Hombre
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Re: Liverpool Thread 2012
Not gonna happen, is it?
halfcenturyup said:Not a completely positive spin .....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18174030
Liverpool stadium: 'Progress' being made on Anfield future
Liverpool managing director Ian Ayre says the club are moving closer to a decision on whether to redevelop Anfield or move to a new stadium.
The Reds are continuing to explore both options and are hopeful of reaching a conclusion ahead of schedule.
"There is progress and we are still in dialogue on both fronts," said Ayre.
"I think it's fair to say if we continue making progress in that area, it might move faster than we originally anticipated."
The financial implications of a move away from Anfield - to a new stadium in Stanley Park - are one of the factors owners Fenway Sports Group must consider.
A new ground is likely to cost in excess of £300m, with that increasing capacity by around 15,000 - numbers that Ayre said are "difficult to make stack up".
Not gonna happen, is it?
Prestwich_Blue
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Re: Liverpool Thread 2012
They're going to tart up Anfield it would seem. Why risk hundreds of millions on a new 60,000 seater stadium when you might well be struggling to fill a 45,000 seater in a couple of seasons?
They're going to tart up Anfield it would seem. Why risk hundreds of millions on a new 60,000 seater stadium when you might well be struggling to fill a 45,000 seater in a couple of seasons?
Re: Liverpool Thread 2012
Even posters on RAWK are starting to see it what its for, wonder if this guy still has an active account on RAWK haha..Jesus fucking Christ! Did John Henry and Tom Werner sack every fuckers sense of humour as well this week? I'm pretty sure Alan was making a joke about 4th place not being any good this season anyway, not much more. Light hearted. Remember in the time before this week when the expression in our eyes glimmered, the corners of our mouth upturned slightly, our noses wrinkled and we made hat "hur hur hur" noise from the back of our throats? But instead, all we get is people jumping on the this is serious business internet stuff, and the same old shite that you've all already posted about 150 times this week.
On one side we've got -
"Ramble, fucking ramble Champions League. Ramble, fucking ramble top players. Ramble, fucking ramble not even close to 4th spot. Ramble, fucking ramble wage structure and IBETDA or whatever the fuck it is. Ramble, fucking ramble Kenny deserved to go. Ramble, fucking ramble FSG have got a plan in place for a fantastic future structure. Ramble, fucking ramble money is god. Ramble, fucking ramble in 5 years we'll win the league with the nex manager."
On the other side we've got -
"Ramble, fucking ramble Carling Cup. Ramble, fucking ramble top players are all mercenary twats. Ramble, fucking ramble nex year we'd have got 4th spot. Ramble, fucking ramble we shouldn't be bean counters. Ramble, fucking ramble Kenny deserved more time. Ramble, fucking ramble FSG haven't got a fucking clue. Ramble, fucking ramble Robbiey is god, not money. Ramble, fucking ramble in 5 years we'll more managers at this rate."
Seriously, how many times can you say the same old shite without getting sick of your own voices. There's posters on here whose fingers must be half an inch shorter after this week. And guess what, no matter how many times you type, the person who has typed the polar opposite IS NOT GOING TO FUCKING AGREE WITH YOU. Typing it once makes it an opinion. Typing it 150 times doesn't make it any more than opinion. It just echoes the same opinion like a fart in a cathedral. Here's an idea for you. Next time you go to post the same fucking view you've made a million times, step away from your keyboard and talk to a friend or loved one instead. I'm sure it will make you just a little bit happier. Or even next time you see a thread or new topic, just think to yourself "is this the same sort of topic I've seen before and posted my views in? Is it really such a good idea to post the same thing that you've posted in every other thread in it, even if means you're actually trying to alter the intentions of the original thread just to shoehorn the same shite into it? If the answer is no, switch the telly on, listen to some music, go for a walk, read a book, have a quick knockabou with he kids in the garden, kiss your missus or just have a wank. In fact do anything other than post the same old shite time after time after time after fucking time. Please.
Regardless of whatever else they can be accused of rightly or wrongly, it seems that FSG's decisions are sucking the souls and character out of you this week. The old saying has changed "if you don't laugh, you'd have to cry." Apparently not any more. This week it's changed to "If you don't laugh, you'd have to jump on the internet and type furiously, even if it is the same thing over and over again. For the love of God, stop being so fucking serious all the time.
southern muppet
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Re: Liverpool Thread 2012
Moving grounds for 15,000 extra seats in itself is ridiculous, but as we know it's corporate facilities that can make or break your matchday revenue these days. If they had more and better of those it might be worth it.
Moving grounds for 15,000 extra seats in itself is ridiculous, but as we know it's corporate facilities that can make or break your matchday revenue these days. If they had more and better of those it might be worth it.
Re: Liverpool Thread 2012
They said exactly the same before they bought the Red Sox. With the Red Sox having yet another poor start, only the Yankees ballsing things up is keep the heat of Henry and co. The big difference is that Baseball is the number one participation sport in the US and the sport in Boston. They bought the Red Sox's at a knock down price and did the same with the dippers. The carpet baggers, plain and simple and they will keep taking their slice until someone comes along and offers twice what they paid.
The Fat el Hombre said:halfcenturyup said:Not a completely positive spin .....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18174030
Liverpool stadium: 'Progress' being made on Anfield future
Liverpool managing director Ian Ayre says the club are moving closer to a decision on whether to redevelop Anfield or move to a new stadium.
The Reds are continuing to explore both options and are hopeful of reaching a conclusion ahead of schedule.
"There is progress and we are still in dialogue on both fronts," said Ayre.
"I think it's fair to say if we continue making progress in that area, it might move faster than we originally anticipated."
The financial implications of a move away from Anfield - to a new stadium in Stanley Park - are one of the factors owners Fenway Sports Group must consider.
A new ground is likely to cost in excess of £300m, with that increasing capacity by around 15,000 - numbers that Ayre said are "difficult to make stack up".
Not gonna happen, is it?
They said exactly the same before they bought the Red Sox. With the Red Sox having yet another poor start, only the Yankees ballsing things up is keep the heat of Henry and co. The big difference is that Baseball is the number one participation sport in the US and the sport in Boston. They bought the Red Sox's at a knock down price and did the same with the dippers. The carpet baggers, plain and simple and they will keep taking their slice until someone comes along and offers twice what they paid.
Re: Liverpool Thread 2012
Van Gaal is a quality coach and manager, Bayern won *cuk all this season without him.
vamps said:Van Gaal as their new sporting director, now that would be HILARIOUS! He'd dish it out to the Rags too.
Van Gaal is a quality coach and manager, Bayern won *cuk all this season without him.
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Re: Liverpool Thread 2012
Just found this..
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=275175.280" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/ind ... 275175.280</a>
Yes I know the quotes ain't in order, I read the thread then picked out my faveys.
Just found this..
Like they will every season when they buy a load of strikers and attacking midfielders/wingers?
Don't worry, as long as they have Mancini they will continue to play boring defensive football
dzeko is the biggest waste of cash ever.. if his name was john stevenson and he was from ireland he would cost peanuts, why do most people start him in potential formations? learn some footie ffs
I sure hope UEFA are gonna have the bollocks to kick City out of Europe when the time comes. If not, I look forward to watching them take on a £200m lawsuit from one Mr. John W. Henry and co.
Another attacking midfielder to City. Another ego. How do they cope with that amount of players?
A good keeper in Hart, Kompany is a decent defender, Lescott and Kolarov are decent Premier League players. But no world class players at the back. Or anything close to it. That's where their focus should be.
Exactly. Tell you what man, that boring defensive football will never score 4 goals against a Premier League side. Never.
man city are in for EVERYONE! Its ridiculous, sanchez, clichy, nasri, neymar, etc list goes on! They have no imagination in the transfer market, they keep chasing the most obvious targets.
One player everyone must keep an eye on is, erick lamela.
Been discussed before, we all know how they are likely to try and avoid it.
Will UEFA be brave enough to kick em out? .. if i had to bet my house, i would bet on City being allowed to make a mockery of the rules.
Decent player but pretty overrated. Won't make any difference to the Man City team I don't think.
What a twat He's making the arabs who invested 300 million plus into the team (I'm pretty sure they've recouped fuck all aswell) Sound like their hicks and gillet
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=275175.280" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/ind ... 275175.280</a>
Yes I know the quotes ain't in order, I read the thread then picked out my faveys.
Re: Liverpool Thread 2012
I find it hillarious that there is a 112 page thread just about Liverpool this year and then we say they aren't a big club and are irrelevant.
All those jealous years and we can finally look down our noses at them. Feels good tbh. Though I think people get a bit too carried away on here. We were shit for like 100 years before now and then we say they're irrelevant because they've not had much success for three years amid financial turmoil.
Hated Dalglish, I see why they love him since he is accredited to building a fantastic 80's Liverpool side which is heralded as one of the greatest of all time among 60's Ajax, 90's Milan or the Barcelona of now. Shame he's such a grumpy old git nowadays incapable of getting his side to win more than two games on the bounce. Definitely lost his touch.
I don't understand why they all suddenly want Rafa back. Haven't they learned? I mean aren't they concerned with severing a relationship with another club legend of theirs? I mean I get it, they want to get back into the Champions League, and Rafa was the last man to do that but in the same breadth he's the man that took a side with Torres, Mascherno, Agger, Riena, Gerrard, Kuyt, Benayoun, Glen Johnson etc to seventh. A team that finished with 86 points a record for a second placed team (until now that is) to a measly 63.
I think Martinez is a very talented man. Is he the man to get them back to what what they were? I don't know. It's impossible to say. You never would have thought Capello would become what he is when he first won a league in Serie A. I think he'll do well for them but clearly their owners are more concerned with the director of football role(s) and that is where they expect the success to come from. Clearly because of the disastrous summer oversaw by Comolli and Dalglish, they never want 100m+ gross spend to be returned with almost nothing of note. This to me is why they seem to want to go for a 'head coach' so to speak instead of a manager like Rafa or Capello, who because of their pedigree would expect 100% control. Martinez would be able to galvanize the dressing room and get the best out of his players I suppose.
I get why they are worried about FSG considering the shambles that were H&G but FSG already restored a once great sporting brand in the Boston Red Sox to what they are now. They seem to want to do it again. They follow a simple model, if they win, FSG win. They don't have ridiculous resources like our owners but they are capable of building a sustained and prosperous sporting brand. They wouldn't have bought Liverpool for any other reason, considering the parallels you can draw between Liverpool and the Red Sox or even Anfield and Fenway Park.
Damn, I am so glad we've won the league. So so glad we aren't in that place when we came 10th and very unsure of what was to come. Big money signings not doing the business, incapable manager. I'm just glad we've finally left that 'in transition phase'.
I find it hillarious that there is a 112 page thread just about Liverpool this year and then we say they aren't a big club and are irrelevant.
All those jealous years and we can finally look down our noses at them. Feels good tbh. Though I think people get a bit too carried away on here. We were shit for like 100 years before now and then we say they're irrelevant because they've not had much success for three years amid financial turmoil.
Hated Dalglish, I see why they love him since he is accredited to building a fantastic 80's Liverpool side which is heralded as one of the greatest of all time among 60's Ajax, 90's Milan or the Barcelona of now. Shame he's such a grumpy old git nowadays incapable of getting his side to win more than two games on the bounce. Definitely lost his touch.
I don't understand why they all suddenly want Rafa back. Haven't they learned? I mean aren't they concerned with severing a relationship with another club legend of theirs? I mean I get it, they want to get back into the Champions League, and Rafa was the last man to do that but in the same breadth he's the man that took a side with Torres, Mascherno, Agger, Riena, Gerrard, Kuyt, Benayoun, Glen Johnson etc to seventh. A team that finished with 86 points a record for a second placed team (until now that is) to a measly 63.
I think Martinez is a very talented man. Is he the man to get them back to what what they were? I don't know. It's impossible to say. You never would have thought Capello would become what he is when he first won a league in Serie A. I think he'll do well for them but clearly their owners are more concerned with the director of football role(s) and that is where they expect the success to come from. Clearly because of the disastrous summer oversaw by Comolli and Dalglish, they never want 100m+ gross spend to be returned with almost nothing of note. This to me is why they seem to want to go for a 'head coach' so to speak instead of a manager like Rafa or Capello, who because of their pedigree would expect 100% control. Martinez would be able to galvanize the dressing room and get the best out of his players I suppose.
I get why they are worried about FSG considering the shambles that were H&G but FSG already restored a once great sporting brand in the Boston Red Sox to what they are now. They seem to want to do it again. They follow a simple model, if they win, FSG win. They don't have ridiculous resources like our owners but they are capable of building a sustained and prosperous sporting brand. They wouldn't have bought Liverpool for any other reason, considering the parallels you can draw between Liverpool and the Red Sox or even Anfield and Fenway Park.
Damn, I am so glad we've won the league. So so glad we aren't in that place when we came 10th and very unsure of what was to come. Big money signings not doing the business, incapable manager. I'm just glad we've finally left that 'in transition phase'.