Liverpool Thread 2014/15

[Prestwich_Blue]

And when they talk about our owner pumping money in, their owner has just lent them £140m (interest free) to finance the building of the main stand extension. Had they needed to find that money themselves, it would reduce their ability to buy players and pay top wages significantly for a few years, just like Arsenal.

I wonder just how much FSG have pumped into them over the last 4 years?

Not arguing with you but isn't it a loan from the middle east somewhere ?

Not sure. Can't see FSG having that in cash so you may well be right. Please let it be from Abu Dhabi...

 

[M18CTID]

And when they talk about our owner pumping money in, their owner has just lent them £140m (interest free) to finance the building of the main stand extension. Had they needed to find that money themselves, it would reduce their ability to buy players and pay top wages significantly for a few years, just like Arsenal.

I wonder just how much FSG have pumped into them over the last 4 years?

Not arguing with you but isn't it a loan from the middle east somewhere ?

Not sure. Can't see FSG having that in cash so you may well be right. Please let it be from Abu Dhabi...

Dubai possibly? Either way, if it's from anywhere in the UAE then I'm fully expecting RAWK's resident moral guardians (you know who the fuck you are) to wholeheartedly renounce their support for Liverpool FC forever due to the money being coated in the blood of a thousand slaves.

 

[IH8MUFC]

I wish I could find it but there was an article a few years back saying that Sheikh Mansour should try and be more like Randy Lerner, the "model foreign owner".

Oh, Liverpool thread. Anyone found RAWKs discussion on FFP yet?

Did you check the victim's topic?

 

[aguero93:20]

And when they talk about our owner pumping money in, their owner has just lent them £140m (interest free) to finance the building of the main stand extension. Had they needed to find that money themselves, it would reduce their ability to buy players and pay top wages significantly for a few years, just like Arsenal.

I wonder just how much FSG have pumped into them over the last 4 years?

Not arguing with you but isn't it a loan from the middle east somewhere ?

Not sure. Can't see FSG having that in cash so you may well be right. Please let it be from Abu Dhabi...

I think it's from Dubai, which means it's really from Abu Dhabi but channelled through Dubai :)

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Not arguing with you but isn't it a loan from the middle east somewhere ?

Not sure. Can't see FSG having that in cash so you may well be right. Please let it be from Abu Dhabi...

I think it's from Dubai, which means it's really from Abu Dhabi but channelled through Dubai :)

Just seen this in The Telegraph;

Construction costs £75million, but associated expenses have driven the price up a further £40million. FSG is paying with its cash reserves with a five-year loan, which the club expects to repay with the dividends once Anfield has risen to a 53,500 capacity.

 

[aguero93:20]

Not sure. Can't see FSG having that in cash so you may well be right. Please let it be from Abu Dhabi...

I think it's from Dubai, which means it's really from Abu Dhabi but channelled through Dubai :)

Just seen this in The Telegraph;

Construction costs £75million, but associated expenses have driven the price up a further £40million. FSG is paying with its cash reserves with a five-year loan, which the club expects to repay with the dividends once Anfield has risen to a 53,500 capacity.

Didn't know they had any, didn't they borrow from one of the NY banks to purchase the club?

Must have been a different club borrowing from Dubai for stadium development.

Edit: I like the sound of 'dividends' though :)

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

If anyone fancies a laugh have a look at the City thread on RAWK and the comments of QC. The guy is ostensibly intelligent yet has absolutely no knowledge of the financial landscape of football pre-Sheikh Mansour, or his club's predilection for altering rules to ensure a hegemony is forever retained. He blames City for preventing clubs like Aston Villa ever growing and refuses to acknowledge the top 3 cartel of Arsenal, Utd and Liverpool even before Abramovich.

A classic case of re-writing history. Some of us are old enough to remember the so-called "Big 5" clubs that carved up the TV rights back in the 1980's to suit their own ends while the rest of the clubs ended up with a fucking pittance.

I'd actually argue that the arrival of the Sheikh in 2008 has helped smash the cartel to smithereens due to the fact that they thought their positions in the top 4 were pretty much guaranteed forever giving them access to all that CL cash, save the odd shit league season a la Liverpool 2004-05, and they foolishly rested on their laurels for too long as a result.

They blackmailed the rest of the league into surrendering their share of gate receipts from their away games in the early 1980's, which opened a gap, were instrumental in setting up the PL, which widened that gap, and were part of the G-14 that ensured CL revenue kept their cartel in the elite group of European clubs.

But even when you point that out they come back with "But we weren't given it, we earned it!" failing to realise that they earned it in the same way a burglar, kidnapper or protection racketeer earns their money. You can probably use the analogy of the Co-op, which was the dominant food retailer after the war for quite a few years. Then others came along who were prepared to invest more money and could execute retail processes better. So they lost out to them and are now in the second tier of food retailers. Liverpool thought their 'istree entitled them to always eat at the top table and they're finding now that it counts for very little.

Liverpool actively sought to concentrate more and more money at the top of the game, to the exclusion of all but themselves and four other clubs. A big 'fuck you' to the rest of football. Now it's (somewhat predictably - such is the nature of human affairs) not gone according to plan it's all so unfair. Boo-fucking-hoo.

That is what is so utterly comical about their subsequent tears. Rather than retaining a redistributive model in relation to gate and tv money, they chose to advance a system which rewarded the shareholders of leading clubs with a rich return on their investment within a system that was almost (but not quite, thankfully) self-perpetuating.

And then they wonder why people like Abramovich and Mansour wanted a slice of the action?

They really are a breed apart.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Not arguing with you but isn't it a loan from the middle east somewhere ?

Not sure. Can't see FSG having that in cash so you may well be right. Please let it be from Abu Dhabi...

I think it's from Dubai, which means it's really from Abu Dhabi but channelled through Dubai :)

Where did you hear that? Would be hilarious if we could hit them with that bit of news. All that shite about slavery in the UAE and they've borrowed money from them.

 

[Vienna_70]

Re: Annual Report (Finances)

a bit of scurrilous scous scolding here

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lol

Well done, that man!

 

[Sonic Temple]

Re: Annual Report (Finances)

a bit of scurrilous scous scolding here

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lol

Well done, that man!

Fuck me they are a bitter bitter bunch of arseholes on that forum, one of them is calling Aguero 'Poison".
They had their crack at the league last year with the diving bugs bunny upfront and they fucked up, they will never get that close again in the next 10 years. C&%TS