Bilboblue
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shackattack said:
Brilliant shack, I never knew that (although I should have, given the year!) many thanks, gonna use that in the future mate.
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Brilliant shack, I never knew that (although I should have, given the year!) many thanks, gonna use that in the future mate.
shackattack
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Bilboblue said:shackattack said:Prestwich_Blue said:Given their history and how they came to be formed, you've more right to be in that group than they have.
yeah but we're the bitter twisted offspring of the city. they are the saintly holier than thou club who would never deny any other team success if it was done in the true spirit of the game. it must really grate on them that we won the league in our anfield home in 1890-funny they exclude that in their 'istree lessons !!!
Brilliant shack, I never knew that (although I should have, given the year!) many thanks, gonna use that in the future mate.
After winning the league for the first time, the Everton Committee and President John Houlding became embroiled in deep and bitter conflict. Houlding originally rented Anfield from the Orrell family and sublet to Everton FC. In 1885 Houlding bought the land from Orrel and rented directly to Everton FC. The Liberal-leaning committee viewed Tory councillor Houlding as having a personal financial and political agenda and there was disagreement over the club's business model and the issue of selling refreshments, to which Houlding had sole rights. Houlding had increased the club's rent by 150% after the 1889–90 season to £250 per annum. John Orrell, who owned the adjacent land, then attempted to legally run a road through the new main stand to access his land. This would require Everton to buy both Anfield and Orrell's land or to rent both. Everton committee members accused Houlding of knowing of the legal right of way and allowing the new stand to be built. The committee wanted Houlding to negotiate on the combined Anfield and Orrell's land rent of £370 or the purchase of both, but were told the rental fee was non-negotiable. Houlding refused to give Everton FC a contractual rental lease.
Houlding attempted to hijack the club by registering another company, Everton F.C. and Athletic Grounds, Ltd.in March 1892. Everton were still occupying and playing at Anfield, Houlding sought to take over Everton's fixtures and position in the Football League. The Football Council[clarification needed] would not recognise Houlding's new company as Everton, resulting in his changing the name to Liverpool F.C. and Athletic Grounds Ltd in June 1892, creating Liverpool F.C.. The distrust between Houlding and the Everton Committee resulted in Everton abandoning their substantial ground at Anfield and moving to Goodison Park on the north side of Stanley Park, issuing 5,000 shares as they did so, giving the directors a 6% stake in the club. Everton played their last match at Anfield on 18 April 1892 vs. Bolton Wanderers.
Even in the 1880's they were adhering to the true spirit of the game that they boast so much about. i always remind them how without us they wouldn't exist-they love that one.
Prestwich_Blue
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The joke is that clubs like us and Everton grew out of churches, with the desire to help their community. Liverpool originated from a motive of pure greed. And having kicked Everton out of Anfield, Houlding got the cheque book out and literally bought a team.shackattack said:Even in the 1880's they were adhering to the true spirit of the game that they boast so much about. i always remind them how without us they wouldn't exist-they love that one.
TCIB
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I fucking love shacks posts, he has a way we have yet to develop regarding ripping the liverpool hordes.
I am surprised rawk don't have a contract out on your head tbh mate haha. I admit openly even the rags have got this down to a fine art also.
Their Liverpool threads are fucking funny tbh.
The above post i have not read yet but i can assume it will be stinging and accurate, i will enjoy it with a glass of wine
I am surprised rawk don't have a contract out on your head tbh mate haha. I admit openly even the rags have got this down to a fine art also.
Their Liverpool threads are fucking funny tbh.
The above post i have not read yet but i can assume it will be stinging and accurate, i will enjoy it with a glass of wine
gordondaviesmoustache
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Shack is part of the Bluemoon wallpaper. Top poster.TCIB said:I fucking love shacks posts, he has a way we have yet to develop regarding ripping the liverpool hordes.
I am surprised rawk don't have a contract out on your head tbh mate haha. I admit openly even the rags have got this down to a fine art also.
Their Liverpool threads are fucking funny tbh.
The above post i have not read yet but i can assume it will be stinging and accurate, i will enjoy it with a glass of wine
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gordondaviesmoustache said:Shack is part of the Bluemoon wallpaper. Top poster.TCIB said:I fucking love shacks posts, he has a way we have yet to develop regarding ripping the liverpool hordes.
I am surprised rawk don't have a contract out on your head tbh mate haha. I admit openly even the rags have got this down to a fine art also.
Their Liverpool threads are fucking funny tbh.
The above post i have not read yet but i can assume it will be stinging and accurate, i will enjoy it with a glass of wine
Seconded.
It's always a pleasure to read his contributions.
TCIB
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Just read shacks post in full, he knows his fucking onions and i bet liverpool fans fucking hate catching him in the pub for a debate.
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The landlord of the BBC Sport Toxteth taproom was leading the mourning yesterday (I look forward to our obituary if they bother)
Phil McNulty CHIEF FOOTBALL WRITER, BBC SPORT
'Brendan Rodgers' season at Liverpool is a failure'
Liverpool's defeat at Hull City erased any lingering hope that the cracks that have emerged at Anfield this season would be papered over by the consolation of Champions League qualification.
It was a year ago that captain Steven Gerrard's fateful slip against Chelsea put the skids on what was looking like a thrilling, and completely unexpected, Premier League title triumph.
And it is also the 25th anniversary of Liverpool's last title win, a galling statistic for a club that almost regarded that domestic crown as its personal property.
Coming hard on the heels of a dismal performance in defeat by Aston Villa in the FA Cup semi-final at Wembley, another late season collapse has left manager Brendan Rodgers facing serious questions.
Can Rodgers manage the big names?
He proved he could handle Luis Suarez, coaxing the best season of his career from the combustible Uruguayan as Liverpool almost won the league after getting tough with him when he wanted to leave in pre-season.
Rodgers also helped Daniel Sturridge to deliver the finest form of his career when he was fit after unfulfilling spells at Manchester City and Chelsea.
Steven Gerrard's departure was always going to be a hospital pass for one Liverpool manager and it landed at the feet of Rodgers.
The debate about whether he was offered a contract early enough continues and is more of a question for Liverpool's hierarchy but the brutal truth is Gerrard's form this season proves the time is right for club and player to part ways.
Gerrard's fading influence
"Liverpool have won seven of their eight Premier League games without Steven Gerrard this season (88%), compared to 40% with him (10 of 25).
Rodgers is also in a no-win situation about when to play Gerrard. The 34-year-old was heavily criticised for his display against Aston Villa at Wembley and yet Rodgers was then questioned for leaving him out at Hull City. It is a delicate balancing act.
As for Raheem Sterling, it is hard to see how Rodgers could have handled him better. He even allowed him a break in Jamaica at the turn of the year to recharge his batteries.
It is clear Sterling's relationship with the club itself is now fragile but it is tough to see how the blame could be pinned on Rodgers, who has been nothing but supportive. The idea that Sterling has become disaffected by being played out of position is also a myth.
Is Rodgers good enough tactically?
How quickly the game can change. Only a few weeks ago, on the back of a 13-game unbeaten run stretching three months, Rodgers was being hailed as a tactical visionary.
After a Champions League loss in Basel, Rodgers switched to an unfamiliar 3-4-3 formation with summer signing Emre Can looking accomplished in an unfamiliar defensive role. It worked superbly as Liverpool moved up the Premier League and towards the FA Cup semi-final.
Steven Gerrard, Glen Johnson, Jordan Henderson and Mario Balotelli
Liverpool lost 2-1 to Aston Villa in the FA Cup semi-final at Wembley
It all came tumbling down at Wembley as Rodgers was outmanoeuvred by Aston Villa (Liverpool were "bamboozled" according to Villa manager Tim Sherwood) and lost.
The back three was ditched for a back four after 20 minutes, then at half-time Mario Balotelli was introduced and Steven Gerrard removed from an advanced role. For someone regarded as so creative tactically, it was a mess and a mess at a very bad time.
Rodgers may argue that the failings of his players forced him to switch tactics and he will have a point - but he currently seems to be struggling to identify his best team and best formation.
What about Liverpool's signings?
The scale of the debacle that is Liverpool's transfer policy can be underlined by a Rodgers quote that has been revisited in recent times.
Commenting on Spurs' rebuilding after the sale of Gareth Bale to Real Madrid, Rodgers said: "If you spend over 100-odd million you'd expect to be challenging for the league."
Rodgers (or perhaps in view of the existence of the infamous 'transfer committee' at Liverpool, the club) did spend that sort of cash. And they did not win the league.
The work in the transfer market has been the biggest failure of all. Liverpool's recruitment under Rodgers and the committee has been abysmal. Large sums of money have been squandered on rank inadequacy.
Mario Balotelli
Mario Balotelli has scored just twice for Liverpool this season
Twenty three players have arrived under Rodgers and the committee. Very few, such as Philippe Coutinho and Daniel Sturridge when fit, can be regarded as unqualified successes.
Mario Balotelli's signing is causing the club to be regarded as a laughing stock while it might be tough to locate the person who regarded spending £20m on former Southampton defender Dejan Lovren as a good idea.
Balotelli came stamped with warnings from all quarters, yet Liverpool ignored those and somehow believed Rodgers would succeed where Jose Mourinho and Roberto Mancini gave up. Not a chance.
And what about Rickie Lambert? If he initially regarded a switch to his boyhood club as a dream move he will hope he soon wakes up from what has been a nightmare. Barely used and looking utterly unsuited when he was, what has been the point?
Liverpool's failing strike-force
Their specialist strikers (Daniel Sturridge, Mario Balotelli, Rickie Lambert and Fabio Borini) have scored eight Premier League goals between them this season. Everton's back four (Leighton Baines, Seamus Coleman, Phil Jagielka and John Stones) have scored nine.
Liverpool simply failed to address the departure of Luis Suarez. It needed a replacement of the highest class, whatever it cost, not cheap punts and failed gambles on Lambert and Balotelli.
And does anyone at Anfield even remember the likes of Luis Alberto and Iago Aspas?
Liverpool's transfer policy and committee seem to be attempting to circumnavigate a system that cannot be circumnavigated.
At least if Rodgers was given more responsibility here, which he should be, owners Fenway Sports Group would know exactly where to pin the blame.
A shambles - and one that FSG will want answers about.
Are the fans behind Rodgers?
Rodgers, rightly, has a reservoir of goodwill among Liverpool's fans after last season but that will run dry if improvements are not made - and quickly.
They admire Rodgers as someone who has bought into the history and tradition of Liverpool and likes to play football in a way they admire.
There are others, however, who point to how Liverpool have faltered when it mattered and the more fickle - or critical - have been casting envious glances in the direction of Borussia Dortmund's Jurgen Klopp, who is available at the end of the season.
If this was an election, Rodgers would just hold the majority but any further signs of deterioration between now and the end of the season might bring a hung parliament at Anfield.
Jurgen Klopp
Jurgen Klopp led Borussia Dortmund to two Bundesliga titles and the 2013 Champions League final
Has this season been a failure?
Yes. Simple answer.
Rodgers has had to deal with the loss of Suarez and the injuries to Sturridge but when the public target is a place in the top four as well as a trophy then it is failure when neither objective is achieved.
The margins are fine. It would have been a success if Liverpool had claimed a trophy but an exit from a Champions League group that was hardly testing apart from Real Madrid - Basel and Ludogorets are hardly superpowers - and semi-final failures against Chelsea and Aston Villa in the two domestic cup semi-finals cannot be dressed up as success.
Can Rodgers turn it around?
He will have to otherwise it will cost him his job.
What has been seen is that Rodgers, a relatively young manager, has shown he is willing to examine Liverpool's mistakes and flaws and learn from them.
The key has to be better summer recruitment. Fail again this summer and Liverpool will not only fall further behind those they challenged so spectacularly last season, the responsibility will eventually land at the door of the manager.
Rodgers and the committee - if this seemingly flawed structure is still in place at the start of next season - face defining months throughout the summer and the start of next term.
How long will Liverpool wait?
After the FA Cup semi-final loss to Villa, all the noises backstage - and from Rodgers himself - were that FSG were still totally committed to the man they appointed in 2012.
The scenery shifts quickly in football, however, and as long as Klopp remains on the open market many fans might want Liverpool to at least sound out the possibility.
This would be harsh on Rodgers but he is not helped by the statistic that marks him down as the first Liverpool manager since the 1950s not to win a trophy in his first three seasons.
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Phil McNulty CHIEF FOOTBALL WRITER, BBC SPORT
'Brendan Rodgers' season at Liverpool is a failure'
Liverpool's defeat at Hull City erased any lingering hope that the cracks that have emerged at Anfield this season would be papered over by the consolation of Champions League qualification.
It was a year ago that captain Steven Gerrard's fateful slip against Chelsea put the skids on what was looking like a thrilling, and completely unexpected, Premier League title triumph.
And it is also the 25th anniversary of Liverpool's last title win, a galling statistic for a club that almost regarded that domestic crown as its personal property.
Coming hard on the heels of a dismal performance in defeat by Aston Villa in the FA Cup semi-final at Wembley, another late season collapse has left manager Brendan Rodgers facing serious questions.
Can Rodgers manage the big names?
He proved he could handle Luis Suarez, coaxing the best season of his career from the combustible Uruguayan as Liverpool almost won the league after getting tough with him when he wanted to leave in pre-season.
Rodgers also helped Daniel Sturridge to deliver the finest form of his career when he was fit after unfulfilling spells at Manchester City and Chelsea.
Steven Gerrard's departure was always going to be a hospital pass for one Liverpool manager and it landed at the feet of Rodgers.
The debate about whether he was offered a contract early enough continues and is more of a question for Liverpool's hierarchy but the brutal truth is Gerrard's form this season proves the time is right for club and player to part ways.
Gerrard's fading influence
"Liverpool have won seven of their eight Premier League games without Steven Gerrard this season (88%), compared to 40% with him (10 of 25).
Rodgers is also in a no-win situation about when to play Gerrard. The 34-year-old was heavily criticised for his display against Aston Villa at Wembley and yet Rodgers was then questioned for leaving him out at Hull City. It is a delicate balancing act.
As for Raheem Sterling, it is hard to see how Rodgers could have handled him better. He even allowed him a break in Jamaica at the turn of the year to recharge his batteries.
It is clear Sterling's relationship with the club itself is now fragile but it is tough to see how the blame could be pinned on Rodgers, who has been nothing but supportive. The idea that Sterling has become disaffected by being played out of position is also a myth.
Is Rodgers good enough tactically?
How quickly the game can change. Only a few weeks ago, on the back of a 13-game unbeaten run stretching three months, Rodgers was being hailed as a tactical visionary.
After a Champions League loss in Basel, Rodgers switched to an unfamiliar 3-4-3 formation with summer signing Emre Can looking accomplished in an unfamiliar defensive role. It worked superbly as Liverpool moved up the Premier League and towards the FA Cup semi-final.
Steven Gerrard, Glen Johnson, Jordan Henderson and Mario Balotelli
Liverpool lost 2-1 to Aston Villa in the FA Cup semi-final at Wembley
It all came tumbling down at Wembley as Rodgers was outmanoeuvred by Aston Villa (Liverpool were "bamboozled" according to Villa manager Tim Sherwood) and lost.
The back three was ditched for a back four after 20 minutes, then at half-time Mario Balotelli was introduced and Steven Gerrard removed from an advanced role. For someone regarded as so creative tactically, it was a mess and a mess at a very bad time.
Rodgers may argue that the failings of his players forced him to switch tactics and he will have a point - but he currently seems to be struggling to identify his best team and best formation.
What about Liverpool's signings?
The scale of the debacle that is Liverpool's transfer policy can be underlined by a Rodgers quote that has been revisited in recent times.
Commenting on Spurs' rebuilding after the sale of Gareth Bale to Real Madrid, Rodgers said: "If you spend over 100-odd million you'd expect to be challenging for the league."
Rodgers (or perhaps in view of the existence of the infamous 'transfer committee' at Liverpool, the club) did spend that sort of cash. And they did not win the league.
The work in the transfer market has been the biggest failure of all. Liverpool's recruitment under Rodgers and the committee has been abysmal. Large sums of money have been squandered on rank inadequacy.
Mario Balotelli
Mario Balotelli has scored just twice for Liverpool this season
Twenty three players have arrived under Rodgers and the committee. Very few, such as Philippe Coutinho and Daniel Sturridge when fit, can be regarded as unqualified successes.
Mario Balotelli's signing is causing the club to be regarded as a laughing stock while it might be tough to locate the person who regarded spending £20m on former Southampton defender Dejan Lovren as a good idea.
Balotelli came stamped with warnings from all quarters, yet Liverpool ignored those and somehow believed Rodgers would succeed where Jose Mourinho and Roberto Mancini gave up. Not a chance.
And what about Rickie Lambert? If he initially regarded a switch to his boyhood club as a dream move he will hope he soon wakes up from what has been a nightmare. Barely used and looking utterly unsuited when he was, what has been the point?
Liverpool's failing strike-force
Their specialist strikers (Daniel Sturridge, Mario Balotelli, Rickie Lambert and Fabio Borini) have scored eight Premier League goals between them this season. Everton's back four (Leighton Baines, Seamus Coleman, Phil Jagielka and John Stones) have scored nine.
Liverpool simply failed to address the departure of Luis Suarez. It needed a replacement of the highest class, whatever it cost, not cheap punts and failed gambles on Lambert and Balotelli.
And does anyone at Anfield even remember the likes of Luis Alberto and Iago Aspas?
Liverpool's transfer policy and committee seem to be attempting to circumnavigate a system that cannot be circumnavigated.
At least if Rodgers was given more responsibility here, which he should be, owners Fenway Sports Group would know exactly where to pin the blame.
A shambles - and one that FSG will want answers about.
Are the fans behind Rodgers?
Rodgers, rightly, has a reservoir of goodwill among Liverpool's fans after last season but that will run dry if improvements are not made - and quickly.
They admire Rodgers as someone who has bought into the history and tradition of Liverpool and likes to play football in a way they admire.
There are others, however, who point to how Liverpool have faltered when it mattered and the more fickle - or critical - have been casting envious glances in the direction of Borussia Dortmund's Jurgen Klopp, who is available at the end of the season.
If this was an election, Rodgers would just hold the majority but any further signs of deterioration between now and the end of the season might bring a hung parliament at Anfield.
Jurgen Klopp
Jurgen Klopp led Borussia Dortmund to two Bundesliga titles and the 2013 Champions League final
Has this season been a failure?
Yes. Simple answer.
Rodgers has had to deal with the loss of Suarez and the injuries to Sturridge but when the public target is a place in the top four as well as a trophy then it is failure when neither objective is achieved.
The margins are fine. It would have been a success if Liverpool had claimed a trophy but an exit from a Champions League group that was hardly testing apart from Real Madrid - Basel and Ludogorets are hardly superpowers - and semi-final failures against Chelsea and Aston Villa in the two domestic cup semi-finals cannot be dressed up as success.
Can Rodgers turn it around?
He will have to otherwise it will cost him his job.
What has been seen is that Rodgers, a relatively young manager, has shown he is willing to examine Liverpool's mistakes and flaws and learn from them.
The key has to be better summer recruitment. Fail again this summer and Liverpool will not only fall further behind those they challenged so spectacularly last season, the responsibility will eventually land at the door of the manager.
Rodgers and the committee - if this seemingly flawed structure is still in place at the start of next season - face defining months throughout the summer and the start of next term.
How long will Liverpool wait?
After the FA Cup semi-final loss to Villa, all the noises backstage - and from Rodgers himself - were that FSG were still totally committed to the man they appointed in 2012.
The scenery shifts quickly in football, however, and as long as Klopp remains on the open market many fans might want Liverpool to at least sound out the possibility.
This would be harsh on Rodgers but he is not helped by the statistic that marks him down as the first Liverpool manager since the 1950s not to win a trophy in his first three seasons.
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shackattack
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growing up with them and listening to their constant superior claims re football and doing things the right way grates and you bite back in a succinct way-they hate it. they are so similar to united as a club and fanbase its unreal. my hatred of them pales into insignificance against the likes of damocles and stony but am working on it ;-)
Prestwich_Blue
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They've actually got this mass delusion that they are superior to all other clubs, both as a club and as a set of fans, which conveniently ignores anything that suggests that is not the reality.shackattack said:growing up with them and listening to their constant superior claims re football and doing things the right way grates and you bite back in a succinct way-they hate it. they are so similar to united as a club and fanbase its unreal. my hatred of them pales into insignificance against the likes of damocles and stony but am working on it ;-)
They pay homage to Shankly, the great socialist, yet forget that he was barely cold in his grave when they were threatening to form a breakaway league unless they got agreement to their decidedly un-socialist demand to keep all home gate receipts instead of having to share them with the visiting team.
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