Liverpool Thread 2014/15

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Stevie Meee epitomises Liverpewl FC - all that's rotten and rancid about that lot is embodied in him; his utter hypocrisy, his prolonged record of thuggery on and off the pitch, the sanctimonious sh*te he spouts about others, the self-serving sentimental claptrap surrounding his career and achievements, etc etc.

He's a Poundland Roy-of-the-Rovers who thinks he's bigger than the club - and the lemmings indulge him in his delusion. They'll ordain him with some sort of coaching / management role soon enough and I'll laugh my head off when it backfires. There's no way he's got enough nouse to instill tactical discipline into a team when he doesn't even possess any of it himself. He's a fraud and a gobsh*te though, so Klanfield is right where he belongs.
 
shackattack said:
Stevie Meee epitomises Liverpewl FC - all that's rotten and rancid about that lot is embodied in him; his utter hypocrisy, his prolonged record of thuggery on and off the pitch, the sanctimonious sh*te he spouts about others, the self-serving sentimental claptrap surrounding his career and achievements, etc etc.

He's a Poundland Roy-of-the-Rovers who thinks he's bigger than the club - and the lemmings indulge him in his delusion. They'll ordain him with some sort of coaching / management role soon enough and I'll laugh my head off when it backfires. There's no way he's got enough nouse to instill tactical discipline into a team when he doesn't even possess any of it himself. He's a fraud and a gobsh*te though, so Klanfield is right where he belongs.
Spot on.
 
Damocles said:
Loaded Man said:
Whilst wading through the usual bile, then it’s mad just how many people don’t seem to rate Gerrard that highly.

It's because, despite much self-delusion from Liverpool fans and the media that cater to them, he was never really in the highest brackets. He wasn't an average player but nowhere near a great.

Let me show you what I mean. Take Gerrard and give him the exact same everything - the exact same performances against the exact same teams in every game. But make him move clubs once every 3 years. Would he be remembered as one of the great midfielders? No.

As always with you pricks, sentimentality is overruling any logical position that you might hold.


Gerrard was one of the few players out there who (in his prime at least) could probably play to a high level in almost any position on the pitch. For me, then he was at his very best playing in the number ‘ten’ role about 2008-2009, where his energy, ability to create openings, telepathic understanding with Torres and eye for a goal meant he was almost unplayable at times.

Gerrard has never been in even the top 5 players in the world. He often had purple patches when people like Alonso and Torres, people who WERE world class for a period, made them look good. He's a scouse Stephen Ireland.

No doubt that his powers have been on the wane over the last couple of years but, for years, he carried Liverpool almost single handedly – if anyone was going to dig us out of a hole then odds on it would be Steven Gerrard.

This is more scouse bollocks. He dragged you out of the shit because he was the only half decent player you had much of the time. You didn't let anybody else drag you out of the shit because you never spent well because you had Gerrard as a fallback.

Hes never been perfect by any means – there’s definitely a level of insecurity and probably some traits about still needing to be THE man in there somewhere – which may have influenced his decision to leave now, who knows. He arguably also didn’t have the required discipline to be a really top class central midfielder when playing as part of a two. One of a dying breed of players who still wears the (clichéd) ‘heart on his sleeve’ though – which, again, is surely what supporters of any club want to see in their players. It MATTERS to him.

So?

It mattered to Paul Dickov but he was still wank. Yaya Toure and people like Fernando Torres didn't give even an ounce of a shit yet were great players.

I don't want to go to a game and watch 11 players "just like me". I'm surrounded by 45,000 people who think just like me, I expect the players on the pitch to be controlled athletes who aren't headless chickens at the first sign of pressure.

Gerrard is one of those people who was a good player and could have been a great player at any other club but Liverpool who infected him with their ridiculous notions on what "passion" is (yeah, coordinated singing, how passionate), a ridiculous victim complex and a ridiculous and consistently failure to be even partially relevant in English football for the past decade.

Gerrard and his good but could have been great if not for a terrible and almost psychotically self-obsessed mentality is absolutely the perfect mascot for Liverpool FC. Now that he's off to shake his arse to try and attract some American dollars despite his obvious-to-everybody stage of being past it is also a wonderful analogy for the state of Liverpool FC.

No wonder you people are a laughing stock. When people laugh at you more than Leeds then you'd think that brain cell that I'm sure you could get together to pool should maybe think "wait, have we become a parody?"

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If people really are offended by the coverage that his last game at Anfield’s likely to get, then the solution is easy – don’t watch / listen to it. It really is that straightforward.

Don't like the Tory Government? Then don't read any newspapers for the next 5 years. Or turn on any TV, or visit any internet sites or talk to pretty much anybody in the world.

Yeah that seems like a solution.

I sensed a little tiny bit of venom in that last post – not a big fan of the Redmen then?

‘A failure to be even partially relevant to English football’? Not sure that’s particularly true, to be honest – depends on your definition of ‘relevant’ though, I guess. We may not have the money to dine at the very top table these days admittedly but then if Liverpool aren’t relevant it probably doesn’t leave too many clubs that actually are......City and Chelsea aside, of course.

Amusing (if not a slightly odd) comparison to Gerrard’s last game with five more years of a Tory government, by the way (not that that prospect is particularly funny, of course) – I was only talking about switching off MOTD when the Liverpool game comes on but you’ve gone all weird and ‘political’ on me. You’ll be planning an anti-Gerrard march around Anfield with Charlotte Church before we know it. If the media are still talking about Gerrard’s departure in 2018 though then I’ll reluctantly accept you’ve got a point here though.

Regarding the Lampard departure comparisons, then I thought ‘Super Frank’ had had his fanfare at the end of last season when he left Chelsea – and people thought that he was leaving English football behind too. Pretty sure Chelsea marked the occasion in some way anyway. Feels a bit different to me with Lampard this season as a result given he had his ‘big goodbye’ last year and has been a bit in and out since he joined City.

No idea if City now plan to mark his departure in some way too but good luck to them if they are.

Can’t really see the Ireland / Gerrard comparisons either but could well be missing something – at the end of the day it’s all about opinions though really (I’d have Gerrard in the ’great’ category in his prime, whilst others clearly wouldn’t).

For what it’s worth – and I suspect it’s fairly little on here – I’d have Gerrard behind Dalglish, Barnes and Suarez as the best I’ve seen ability wise in a Liverpool shirt. In terms of ‘stature’, then he’d probably have him second only to Dalglish. The fact that he’s local, has been the club captain since he was 23, lifted the European Cup and has spent 17 years in the first team does sway me but then again I’m an emotional, hugely sentimental person.

Up the fucking reds!
 
shackattack said:
Stevie Meee epitomises Liverpewl FC - all that's rotten and rancid about that lot is embodied in him; his utter hypocrisy, his prolonged record of thuggery on and off the pitch, the sanctimonious sh*te he spouts about others, the self-serving sentimental claptrap surrounding his career and achievements, etc etc.

He's a Poundland Roy-of-the-Rovers who thinks he's bigger than the club - and the lemmings indulge him in his delusion. They'll ordain him with some sort of coaching / management role soon enough and I'll laugh my head off when it backfires. There's no way he's got enough nouse to instill tactical discipline into a team when he doesn't even possess any of it himself. He's a fraud and a gobsh*te though, so Klanfield is right where he belongs.

:-)

'We don't care what the Redshite say'
 
Sometimes you can just enjoy a sports moment.

I don't see anything wrong with Gerrard getting his day at his final day at Anfield. It'll be an emotional game, and there'll be heavy hearts at the end of the game. We are sports fans, and he's created some great moments for Liverpool fans. I don't see what's wrong with a well-deserved, emotional goodbye. It's not that offensive of a concept, is it? I don't see why it's irritating you so much.
 
meanwhile over on RAWK -
Sitting on this God forsaken Stena ferry from Dublin to Holyhead to drive to Liverpool after being up at 5am to drive from Waterford to Dublin just to get this boat. It's a journey I've done a hundred times in my life. Me and my Dad, this has been our thing since I was 5. It's been my Dad's thing since he was 16 going across on cattle ferries taking 8,9 even 12 hours to cross the Irish Sea. Sure we're "out of towners" but Liverpool is my second home. It's all I've ever really known other than my hometown. My Dad turned to me as we left the house in the pitch dark EARLY this morning and pointed out the important games I'd been to (not being old enough to afford to pay for myself for long enough and then living in America for half of my 20s). Souness's first game as manager was my first ever game. I had a mystery illness and my Dad dragged me to Liverpool because they didn't know if I was gonna live or what and that was his dream, to being his son to "God's Golden Acre" as he calls it. Last stand of the Kop, I was there, I swore my flag was on the front of the VHS tape, not grasping that it was a photo from the Kop and not the Centenary stand. Rush's last game, God's last game, Jamie's last game. All HUGE. All historic, monumental, but this, this is different. I've never written a post like this on here. Usually a comment here or there, mostly not even on the LFC topics, I just like to read other's opinions, I already know my own. But this is sentimental, my throat hurts writing it. Maybe it's that I can see Wales and it's unsettling? But more than likely it's because this is Steven Gerrard's last ever game at Anfield. F*** I agreed to let my Uncle, who inspires me with his positive attitude despite a disability that would make me do nothing but self pity, have my ticket for the game and go on the trip. My Dad turned to me yesterday and gave me his ticket, the ultimate gesture that my Dad said he wanted to do for me. This weekend is special, I just know it and not because I'm holding back the tears on a Stena Sea Cat!

And in reply - Genuinely mate, that is right up there with some of the finest and most touching posts I've ever read on RAWK. Give your auld man a kiss from me when you see him next.

If I'd of read this 6 hours ago I would of gone 10 minutes down the road to Holyhead to meet you off the Ferry and give you big f*** off man hug for writing that mate.

the liverpool echo describe him as a model professional on and off the field - so to any kid looking for a role model you have to get a 16 yr old girl pregnant(allegedly), smack a dj in southport, run a kid over in your bentley and have strong connections with the criminal underworld on merseyside. no wonder the kids look up to him.
 
Loaded Man said:
I sensed a little tiny bit of venom in that last post – not a big fan of the Redmen then?

Personally I wouldn't care if your stadium fell over, club went bankrupt and all your former players publicly admitted that they thought they signed for Everton Reserves.

‘A failure to be even partially relevant to English football’? Not sure that’s particularly true, to be honest – depends on your definition of ‘relevant’ though, I guess. We may not have the money to dine at the very top table these days admittedly but then if Liverpool aren’t relevant it probably doesn’t leave too many clubs that actually are......City and Chelsea aside, of course.

Oh well I apologise then. I'm sure that League Cup win in extra time against a Championship club catapulted you to international relevance.

You're the Muhammad Ali of football; somebody who was once great but is now a shivering mess whose glory days were seen as great but in fact were short term ideas that have since been replicated better by better men to the detriment of everyone.

You are a club, a fanbase and a bunch of players who hark back to a now idealised glorydays to the point of deluding themselves in the face of reality around them, and any steps at modernisation are done by people who don't understand what they're doing but think that they probably should do it because they've heard that it's the future from some blogger. Remember MoneyBall and how it was going revolutionise transfers at Liverpool thanks to their incredibly smart DoF and owners?

Why how the rest of us pissed ourselves laughing.

Amusing (if not a slightly odd) comparison to Gerrard’s last game with five more years of a Tory government, by the way (not that that prospect is particularly funny, of course) – I was only talking about switching off MOTD when the Liverpool game comes on but you’ve gone all weird and ‘political’ on me. You’ll be planning an anti-Gerrard march around Anfield with Charlotte Church before we know it. If the media are still talking about Gerrard’s departure in 2018 though then I’ll reluctantly accept you’ve got a point here though.

No you see what I've done there is mocked the idea of "don't read a ubiquitous story that infects every form of media and news" by pointing out yet another recent story with even greater reach in the press, to show that the idea of just ignoring a news story is almost impossible.

Having to point this out to you, that I wasn't actually making any political point and that it just so happened to be a major story going on recently, sort of takes away from the impact of it. It's like a comedian telling a joke then having to dissect the joke and explain to the tracksuit scousers in the front row who spent their youth picking up cig dimps off the floor in an attempt to find enough tobacco to roll a cig between the six of them, rather than in a schoolroom or hell even in prison you get educated to some degree to recognise false sarcasm.

Can’t really see the Ireland / Gerrard comparisons either but could well be missing something – at the end of the day it’s all about opinions though really (I’d have Gerrard in the ’great’ category in his prime, whilst others clearly wouldn’t).

Yeah I think you're missing something too.

Ireland/Gerrard comparisons was yet another analogy (the sharper scousers might be noticing a pattern emerging here; if those three people aren't around then don't worry I'll explain it in a bit) to point out two players who were falsely celebrated for their performances which were not of their own making. They are both players who required greatness around them to function in a great way and couldn't actually inspire greatness when it wasn't there. Obviously Gerrard was a better player than Ireland and poor Stevie Ireland had the footballing ability of a small reptile without Robinho and Elano next to him, but the point that Gerrard was made great by Alonso and by Torres should be easily made by taking away the seasons that they weren't there in comparison. Don't remember Joe Allen having his best ever season because he played with Arr Stevie G

For what it’s worth – and I suspect it’s fairly little on here – I’d have Gerrard behind Dalglish, Barnes and Suarez

A place I have no doubt that he'd enjoying spending long periods of time

as the best I’ve seen ability wise in a Liverpool shirt. In terms of ‘stature’, then he’d probably have him second only to Dalglish. The fact that he’s local, has been the club captain since he was 23, lifted the European Cup and has spent 17 years in the first team does sway me but then again I’m an emotional, hugely sentimental person.

Yeah, you're a scouser.
 
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