Liverpool thread 2020/21

[KentBlue]

Absolutely unbelievable that you are seriously arguing that the ban after Heysel did not seriously impact Everton.

That's just it though, it isn't unbelievable. It's 100% par for the course with that lying, delusional excuse of a football club.

That Peccary fellow made the comment about eight of their fans being killed, to me that would warrant a lifetime ban from this forum, but that's down to the moderators, nothing I can do about it, so I just put him under 'ignore' and I never want to discuss anything with the man again. He can whinge and moan all he likes about 'holding his hands up' and accepting he was out of order for making the comment, but that was such a crass and ill-informed remark that it can never be forgotten.
But that is the mentality of the club: the staff, ex-players, supporters, you name it - all desperately seeking charity, financial or emotional. Not an ounce of empathy or kindness for anybody, but so quick to demand it from others.

There is a reason why that grotesque club exists, and that is that we learn from our mistakes.

 

[mccity]

What's interesting is that they look to be adding depth. I say interesting, because over the last 2 seasons their primary strength in the league and CL has been the fact that they have been able to play roughly the same team over and over again and maintain momentum somewhat with the XI they start with. It's always been the case that the backups have been distinctly worse than the starters so there's never been any reason for those 2nd stringers to kick up a fuss.

Now they have decent players as back up. What happens? Do they rotate for the sake of keeping the second choice players occupied and match ready, and risk losing momentum? Or do they just ignore them and restrict them to sub appearances and the early cup exits and hope that they keep on winning elsewhere all the time that they don't complain?

 

[RayCTID]

Signing Jota from Wolves, they are really strengthening their squad. We will be hard pressed to match them this season.

He is hardly one of Wolves' key players. A cheaper option than Adama Traore

 

[Greggery Peccary]

You're so wrong on every level and continue to cherry pick points that suit your narrative and air brush out the ones that don't.
Liverpool signed Beardsley for a British record fee and Barnes and Houghton were hardly bargain basement signings and all on big wages so hardly the actions a club struggling to balance the books is it?
As I've already pointed out and you have failed to address, Everton were only just getting started and I was also around at the time so yes, they were denied an opportunity to win the European cup and as a result, the opportunities that brings had they done so.
Equally if the ban was 10 years earlier, there would have been none of these mythical "nights under the lights" either or the opportunities European success allowed to cement this position.
Kendall left in 87 because he couldn't go any further and a big part of that was bring able to compete in Europe and it turned to shit.
I remember Dalglish walking out on your lot in 91 and it turned to shit pretty quickly for your lot too if I remember rightly.

I haven’t cherry picked anything. I’ve given you a link that documents the Rush to Juve transfer which corroborates my story. Kendall leaving had nothing to do with it either. You obviously know that he nearly became the Barca manager at the time but it ended up with Venables staying. That’s the long and short of it; he was probably the most in demand manager in Europe at the time. All your points about a European ban are all straw man arguments, what ifs and I thinks all over the place. A ban ten years earlier, why not 20 year or 30 years? The fact is that English firms running amok on the Continent was brought to a head by Heysel and the main culprits from this country were banned longer than anyone else. The way you go on, you think Everton were saints in Europe. If you were around then, you’ll know they weren’t, not by a long chalk.
But to bring the departure of Dalglish into this when that had nothing at all to do with football is a cheap shot. Anyone with half a brain knows he quit on medical grounds. I’m happy to keep chatting but let’s stay on point.

 

[Greggery Peccary]

Nobody in Greater Manchester uses the word “wools”/“woollybacks”... we say “Yonners”

Aye, I didn’t think I’d ever heard a Manc using that word. Fair tackle.

 

[Greggery Peccary]

Absolutely unbelievable that you are seriously arguing that the ban after Heysel did not seriously impact Everton.

Read the article at the link below and get some understanding of the utter scum who followed Liverpool in those days.

https://www.lfchistory.net/Articles/Article/3228

The current generation of Liverpool fans are just as bad. How Liverpool get such positive coverage in the media is one of the greatest mysteries of our age.

It impacted them as much as it did anybody else. They won the fucking league the season after or does that not count in the impacting?

 

[laserblue]

Some creative accounting going on there from the BBC. Jota cost £41m, with Hoever going the other way for £9m. That's a net outlay of £32m by my reckoning, not £30m.

A bit like the inevitable but uncorrected reporting that City paid £60 million for Cancelo when City's nett spend on signing him was £27 million with Danilo valued at £33 million going the other way in the same deal.

 

[Shirley]

Footy is an Aussie term

 

[laserblue]

We should have paid the rent

Plus the extra interest charges Houlding tried to stitch you up with relating to loans he'd made to Everton. Then he tried to get Everton to become a publicly listed company which would have greatly increased the value of his land and that of his mate at and around Goodison and enabled him and his mate to buy in and effectively take full control of the club.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

"going to the right place", whatever that means. The bumming other clubs take off them to fuel their scheme is beyond a joke.