Liverpool thread 2020/21

[Shirley]

My question is, does he have a Plan B? It's all gegenpressing, Firmino as a sort of false 9, full-backs getting high up the field, pinning opposition wide players back and pinging accurate crosses in. It works, in the same way Ferguson's tactics worked, because they had the right players who were very good at playing the system.

Gegenpressing is a hard tactic to counter; you have to be exceptionally good to play your way out of it & even we struggle to do it. But you can't do it for 90 minutes, as the history of our games there have shown.

In 2019/20 we were 2 down within 15 minutes;
In 2017/18 we went behind inside 10 minutes;
In the CL game we were 2 down in 20 minutes;
In 2016/17 we went behind inside 10 minutes.

Generally we've looked the stronger in the last 20 minutes of those games but it was also a characteristic of those games that we'd completely go to pieces for 10 or 15 minutes.

Pep has adapted (although not always effectively) and though we weren't comfortable in that first half, we got through it. Having changed things in the second we took the game to them, with the outcome that they (and their keeper particularly) went to pieces under our pressure.

I'm dubious whether Flopp can make the fundamental changes required to his system to get them back on track. He hasn't got the tactical flexibility that Pep has shown throughout his career. If the brute force gegenpressing approach
doesn't work, is there. anything else in Flopp's cupboard? I suspect the answer is no.

All he has left is a baying mob, in waiting.

 

[richardtheref]

Am currently reading Full Throttle by Joe Hill. Wonderful collection of short stories. I quote from page 98 "They called it Scouse, which sounded like a disease, something you might die from after being bitten by a wild animal".
Quality Mr Hill

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

He is. He's a better manager than some on here give him credit for - you don't win back-to-back titles in Germany and the league and CL while in England if you're not a good manager. However, I think his achilles heel is running players into the ground due to his maniacal pressing game. That's what happened at Dortmund where it unravelled pretty quickly from a position of great strength, and is what appears to be happening at Liverpool now.

It is possible he can address it unlike at Dortmund because on the face of it, Liverpool have greater resources in terms of refreshing the squad with new signings but I'm not sure FSG will back him enough in the transfer market. The impression I get is that Klopp is on a bit of a collision course with the owners and Liverpool fans should be asking why the likes of Everton are outspending them despite their (Liverpool's) revenues rising considerably over the past couple of seasons on the back of 2 CL final appearances and a PL win. Of course, they've taken a hit during the pandemic with no fans allowed in, and that hit will be greater than most other clubs but even so, every other club has taken a hit too and in any case Liverpool have other lucrative revenue streams. It wouldn't surprise me if FSG are looking at an exit strategy as they'd make a tidy profit if they sold the club.

I wouldn't be surprised if Liverpool's overall revenues are not that much lower than before Covid. They have seen big increases in sponsorship and TV revenues. They are also huge in Asia which has not been hit by Covid as badly as the West.

 

[Daz_Blue]

Dont forget the 130m they got for Raheem ....

 

[doobyedoobye]

He must feel insanely immense pressure managing that club now that he’s raised the bar to non sustainable levels..

 

[dhruvblue]

///Everything you say is true. But on the other hand I wouldn’t want my club to be owned by a sugar daddy. I never want to see my club sack Gerrard the way Chelsea sacked Lampard. It’s just not who we are.

When people talk about catching up with City, I think they don’t realize they are talking about a team that spent more than half a billion ONLY on defenders in the last 2-3 years. There is no catching up unless you get petrol money and that’s a fact. I am in no way saying they influence referees or there is match fixing, but I can say that they somehow have some influence on FIFA and UEFA. They are allowed spend money like there’s no tomorrow, either barely regulated or even if regulated they find loopholes with sponsorships and other ways that I am not clever enough to understand. Football is completely different than what it was, and it is very easy to get lost in it. We have to be careful with our spending.

Young and new supporters are more enthusiastic about stats, silverware and big names and I absolutely understand that, but I just can’t be arsed about those. I mean of course silverwares are great, but for me Liverpool is more than that. It’s just for me though, so I am not saying this is how it should be for everybody.//

 

[dhruvblue]

//Honestly, the FSG approach is logical in any other business then football, when you compete against owners like Man City who treat their clubs as vehicles for sports washing. It's a bloody fact that absent their corrupt capital, we win in 13/14, we win in 18/19. Am I sad we did not reload when the iron was hot? Yes, but I also hate that we have to compete against that lot and their ill-gotten gains.//

 

[Colthekid]

View attachment 9958With Fans FC.

Liverpool 31 years without lifting a league trophy with fans in the stadium. That is SHIT.

Some people need to not be given day release.

 

[Daz_Blue]

All yours photo shoppers

 

[Cellarite]

Perfect timing - I was just sat on dinner with a couple of workmates (spread across a few table mind) when a Leeds number rings my mobile.

I answer it because I'm waiting for a couple of deliveries but it's a strong scouse accent asking my about the road traffic accident I was involved in last July. I asking him for more details but he can only tell me that the vehicle I was a passenger in was rear shunted at traffic light.

"Sorry, that wasn't me."

"Ok, we must have the wrong details. I'll remove your number from the database. Have a good day."

"Before you go, did you watch the football yesterday?"

"Of course Sir, I always watch the football."

"I had a better day yesterday. It was the best day of the season."

The penny must've dropped at this point, so he replied;

"It's strange that, everyone seems to have their best day of the season if they beat Liverpool. It must be because we're so good."

"No, it's because everyone fucking hates you."

And I put the phone down.