Liverpool Thread - 2021/22

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Not one sign of their culpability, ashamed of nothing.

Fucking hell, they laid down more floral tributes to a dead chicken than they have done for the 39 innocent people they were responsible for killing that night.
 
Fucking hell, what a load of one-eyed bollocks!

1840s?! Do me a favour! What next, yeah Italians may have died in '85 but don't you remember the Roman conquest of Britain in AD 43 and what Emperor Claudius did to the inhabitants of Portus Segantiorum?!

Sanctimonious pricks!
Italians did die - not may have died..
 
Surprised if he doesnt post football.

He's a very political animal.
He’s pro-Catalan independence, right? So’s Martinez, though he’s quieter about it, but he and Pep were both on the Guanyarem site doing the thumbs up (they’re a pro-Catalan independence group).
 
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Apologies for the long post. Not sure if this article was a piss take or serious:

Opinion: This is why Liverpool fans boo the national anthem and this is what would stop it (The Independent)

The contrast between Boris Johnson and Jurgen Klopp could not be starker. The Liverpool manager would make a great statesman. He is honest, takes responsibility, cares about people in worse situations than himself and does his best to contribute to a wider society.

The prime minister is the polar opposite.

When Klopp talks politics, it makes sense. When Johnson pontificates about football, it’s more of the same bluster that has characterised his entire career. On Monday, according to certain sections of the media, Johnson “slapped down” Klopp because the 54-year-old suggested it might be worth at least exploring the reasons why Liverpool fans booed the national anthem and the Queen’s grandson before the FA Cup final on Saturday. A spokesman said the prime minister disagreed with Klopp and called the behaviour of the supporters a “great shame”. It takes some fairly deranged spin to see this as a slap-down. Klopp probably hasn’t even noticed that he’s supposed to have been put in his place.

Like Klopp and Johnson, those who booed the anthem and those who were angered by the jeering are unlikely to find common ground. Will there ever be a time when Liverpool supporters embrace the patriotic experience?

The prime minister’s spokesman talked about shame, an emotion Johnson knows little about. He hasn’t any. Or empathy. The Spectator’s attack on Merseyside when under the 57-year-old’s editorship in 2004 is well known. The editorial column said that the people of Liverpool “see themselves whenever possible as victims, and resent their victim status; yet at the same time they wallow in it”. The article went on to repeat lies about Hillsborough.

What is less well known is Johnson’s supposed mea culpa in the next edition of The Spectator. Headlined “What I should say sorry for”, the piece was written from “a cold, damp three-star hotel in Liverpool” after the old Etonian was ordered to travel north to apologise by Michael Howard, who was then the leader of the Conservative Party (and a Liverpool fan, much to the embarrassment of many Kopites).

“Operation Scouse-grovel”, as the author describes it, is as obscene as the previous editorial. Johnson doubled down. He wrote: “Whatever its mistakes of facts and taste, for which I am sorry, last week’s leading article made a good point: about bogus sentiment, self-pity, risk, and our refusal to see that we may sometimes be the authors of our misfortunes.”

Almost every week Liverpool supporters hear the echo of the words of the man who holds the highest political office in the UK. “You killed your own fans.” “Always the victims.” “The Sun was right, you’re murderers.”

Is there a more “bogus sentiment” than becoming emotional about a national anthem? The royal family are the cornerstone of the class system. The idolisation of a dynastic institution that is completely distanced from ordinary people is bewildering for a large proportion of Liverpool supporters, especially those who have a close-up view of the growing poverty in the UK. The Fans Supporting Foodbanks initiative was founded outside Goodison Park and Anfield – it often gets overlooked that Evertonians are on the receiving end of anti-Scouse invective, too. Supporters of club after club come to Merseyside and rejoice in songs that mock poverty. Some Chelsea fans were chanting about hunger on Saturday. The Liverpool end booed institutional, inherited privilege. Guess which one the nation was outraged by? That was two days before the governor of the Bank of England warned of “apocalyptic” rises in food prices.

Hunger is at the centre of the historic perception of the people of Liverpool. The port, once known as “Torytown” and “the second city of the empire”, first fell out of step with the rest of England after the Potato Famine in the 1840s. Millions of starving Irish landed on the banks of the Mersey. Many stayed. The “othering” of Liverpool stretches back to the mid-19th century.

What does this have to do with football? A lot. The word “Scouse” is an insult that was reappropriated by those it was used against. In the poorest areas of Liverpool a century ago, the malnourished residents – who were the children of immigrants and who mainly identified as Irish – relied on soup kitchens and cheap street vendors for food. What they were served was Scouse, a watery stew. Scouser was a pejorative term used to mock the poorest. When “Feed the Scousers”, echoes around stadiums it is expressing a deep folk memory that is imbued with anti-migrant and anti-Irish sentiment. Those chanting it may not be conscious of the history, but the driving forces for their behaviour can be traced back down many decades. Nowhere else is poverty sneered at in this way by outsiders. No one sings “Feed the Geordies” or “Feed the Mancs” even though other places have much more deprived areas. No wonder citizens of Liverpool are triggered by the chants.

In these circumstances, it is hard to make a case for Scousers to do anything more than boo the national anthem. And then we get to Hillsborough. Britain should still be in a state of uproar about the 1989 disaster that led to the deaths of 97 people. Senior policemen and high-level politicians lied about what happened, covered up the mistakes of officials and threw the blame at innocent supporters. The national press, by and large, amplified the establishment narrative or failed to provide adequate scrutiny of the authorities. A substantial percentage of the British public still will not accept the findings of the longest, most exhaustive inquests in the country’s history. To cap it all, the policemen responsible for the mass death and the cover-up were acquitted of any wrongdoing – even after some of those individuals admitted their culpability in legal settings. Now the biggest miscarriage of justice in the nation’s history is being reduced to football banter. What a country. Play that anthem again so we can all join in.

The FA got off lightly, too. The ruling body held a semi-final at a ground that did not have a safety certificate. Tottenham Hotspur fans had a near miss eight years earlier on the same Leppings Lane terraces where the carnage occurred in 1989. For those whining that Abide With Me was disrupted, the FA did nothing to abide with the bereaved and survivors of an avoidable catastrophe at one of their showpiece games.

The events of the weekend illustrated just how toxic the attitudes towards Hillsborough have become. Family members of the dead were abused heavily on social media by trolls who used Saturday’s events as an excuse to harass those who have fought, in vain, for justice. And we don’t want to hear any complaints about Scousers not showing respect. The booing is a cry for justice, for equality, a howl against hunger and poverty. It is depressing that so many in Britain cannot hear that. Klopp heard it. Johnson never will.
i don't know really where to start with this. The national anthem and a traditional hymn getting booed is just silly, whatever the context. Don't join in if you don't want to.

This, particularly, is dreadful:
"For those whining that Abide With Me was disrupted, the FA did nothing to abide with the bereaved and survivors of an avoidable catastrophe at one of their showpiece games."
 
Fucking hell, they laid down more floral tributes to a dead chicken than they have done for the 39 innocent people they were responsible for killing that night.
it wasn't a "disaster", a plane crash is a disaster, this was a shameful act of thuggery and violence, and "events" just places a gentle spin on things. Fuck these Scouse pricks.

The disaster occurred before the European Cup final between Liverpool and Juventus on May 29, 1985, when events in Block Z of the stadium tragically led to the deaths of 39 people - mostly Juventus supporters - and left hundreds more injured.
 
He’s pro-Catalan independence, right? So’s Martinez, though he’s quieter about it, but he and Pep were both on the Guanyarem site doing the thumbs up (they’re a pro-Catalan independence group).
I can't remember who it was but he also supports another political campaign that he wore a hoody with it's name on during last season.
 
Interesting point you raise about the drop off. Quite possibly, is the answer. Although last season it has to be noted that injuries (yes, that old humbug) did do us quite a lot of damage, no matter which you look at it - not sure you could say it was fatigue that caused it all. I mean, we were playing nat Phillips, Rhys williams and ozan kabak at CB. But then again, maybe the injuries were related to the style of football...no idea.

I'd say that we've become a lot better at not wasting energy, in that we don't run like men possessed for the full 90 like early in klopps charge, plus we've rotated massively as well. But we will see!

And yep, agree RE haaland. Bad news for us but certainly what you need.
The way he manages possession is interesting.
He was full on press at the beginning but lost and drew games when the press was not enough.
or you ran out of steam.
the press is more targeted now and conserved.
the only time I’ve seen it done ful on was the semi. And probably because he saw the flaws in our game against Southampton in the cup.

Klopp has changed slightly more. With the introduction of Thiago to unlock defences that are more stubborn.

the irony being he’s slowly morphing into the way we play. Season by season.

to add irony to the irony. I think we may have changed to a long ball more often. Either to draw teams out. Beat their press. Or to mix it up so we are harder to predict.
I don’t think I’ve answered any questions there. Just created more lol
 
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It's always someone else's fault.

“You shouldn’t use the deaths of people to get back at another club on any level so when you hear certain chants, or read things on social media, you want to come back with the facts."

luckily for liverpool, they've never sung anything ever about munich. i wish every fan base could be as perfect as they are.
 
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