Liverpool Thread - 2021/22

[Grassland Blue]

Well we've got the biggest goal difference in the land...
One mans' boring is another mans' brilliance I suppose.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I actually had no respect for the old liverpool, and I have no respect for the current liverpool, and I will have no respect for the future liverpool.

Respect.

 

[Nicholas van Whatsisface]

I dunno, I know they're something of a bizarre cult but I have met some of their fans and they were pleasant and friendly. But i know you can't go by that. I mean I wouldn't care if they never won anything ever again, but I wouldn't say I hate them. I rate a lot of their players and view them as easily the second best team in the league. But I also think they'll decline much more when Klopp goes than City will when Pep goes.

I just find them less offensive than United and Chelsea. I like their generally socialist ideals, although the irony is in football terms they are far from socialist, they are bullies. But I like how they claim to be egalitarians in everyday life, I can get behind that political view. Compare that to the EDL loving right-wing Tory Chelsea slime and I have far more in common with Liverpool politically than Chelsea. Also, as someone whose area was decimated by the Tories in the 80s and 90s, I sympathise with how Liverpool is looked down on by vermin like Johnson etc. Yes they're weirdos when it comes to football but they're preferable to cunts like Chelsea and Millwall, Heysel aside. I am not English though, although I am British, so never really cared one way or the other about them other than what I am about to say in the next paragraph...

I think Gerrard is a complete tool of a guy and he put me right off them for many years, as did their scary devotion to him, which is as obsessive as United and Ronaldo. He was at his best as an attacking midfielder or number 10, never a central midfielder in a million years but he was deluded enough to think he was. I laughed a lot when he slipped.

Thing is, they talk about socialism as being a set of principles that are vital and important to them - yet as a fanbase they’re forever telling everyone who’ll listen that they’re ‘football royalty’ with no sense of irony, and advocating for a closed shop which means only the clubs who have the highest revenues can invest in their teams. Essentially locking in the old ‘top 4’, and limiting the hope of actually winning anything meaningful to the same group of clubs ad infinitum.

There is nothing in how they behave as a fan base which in any way acknowledges the principles of wealth distribution, or the distribution of resources and opportunity - as a club and a fanbase, they advocate the worst form of capitalism. A cartel monopolising resources for the very few. To use their own terminology, they’re royalists.

All their talk of socialism is pure identity politics - when it comes to actually understanding and applying socialism in practice, they don’t want anything to do with it.

Bunch of pig thick hypocrites poncing about behind the idea of radicalism, with not a trace of courage behind their convictions - like a public schoolboy in a Che Guevara t-shirt!

 

[DC1982]

Thing is, they talk about socialism as being a set of principles that are vital and important to them - yet as a fanbase they’re forever telling everyone who’ll listen that they’re ‘football royalty’ with no sense of irony, and advocating for a closed shop which means only the clubs who have the highest revenues can invest in their teams. Essentially locking in the old ‘top 4’, and limiting the hope of actually winning anything meaningful to the same group of clubs ad infinitum.

There is nothing in how they behave as a fan base which in any way acknowledges the principles of wealth distribution, or the distribution of resources and opportunity - as a club and a fanbase, they advocate the worst form of capitalism. A cartel monopolising resources for the very few. To use their own terminology, they’re royalists.

All their talk of socialism is pure identity politics - when it comes to actually understanding and applying socialism in practice, they don’t want anything to do with it.

Bunch of pig thick hypocrites poncing about behind the idea of radicalism, with not a trace of courage behind their convictions - like a public schoolboy in a Che Guevara t-shirt!

yes that was my point, that they dont use their socialist theory in practice as football fans. I am giving them the benefit of the doubt that they keep the realms of football and real life different ie theyre socialists in real life but behave like capitalists in football. If, however, their egalitarian talk is nonsense and they behave like bullies in real life too, then they're scum. I can just about forgive it with them in football, because football is far less important than some people having 10 houses while other people live on the streets. Although, alternatively, the wealth inequality in football trickles down into the real world and people's livelihoods too, so they're not actually separate realms.

Ultimately, we watch a sport where millionaires kick a ball around. if any of us had the courage of our convictions we'd give up football in the first place. We are all hypocrites, but yeah them more than most.

I mean technically celebrities who give to charity are hypocrites too. Even the rare ones who do it out of kindness than for PR. Where do you draw the line? If someone has 50 million quid and gives away 49 million, you can still argue one million is far more than anyone needs to live on (maybe not in London, but certainly in some areas of the world). I know that's a spurious and petty point but I am just saying everyone is a hypocrite to varying degrees.

 

[cheekybids]

Thing is, they talk about socialism as being a set of principles that are vital and important to them - yet as a fanbase they’re forever telling everyone who’ll listen that they’re ‘football royalty’ with no sense of irony, and advocating for a closed shop which means only the clubs who have the highest revenues can invest in their teams. Essentially locking in the old ‘top 4’, and limiting the hope of actually winning anything meaningful to the same group of clubs ad infinitum.

There is nothing in how they behave as a fan base which in any way acknowledges the principles of wealth distribution, or the distribution of resources and opportunity - as a club and a fanbase, they advocate the worst form of capitalism. A cartel monopolising resources for the very few. To use their own terminology, they’re royalists.

All their talk of socialism is pure identity politics - when it comes to actually understanding and applying socialism in practice, they don’t want anything to do with it.

Bunch of pig thick hypocrites poncing about behind the idea of radicalism, with not a trace of courage behind their convictions - like a public schoolboy in a Che Guevara t-shirt!

they are deserving of their American owners.

 

[Nicholas van Whatsisface]

yes that was my point, that they dont use their socialist theory in practice as football fans. I am giving them the benefit of the doubt that they keep the realms of football and real life different ie theyre socialists in real life but behave like capitalists in football. If, however, their egalitarian talk is nonsense and they behave like bullies in real life too, then they're scum. I can just about forgive it with them in football, because football is far less important than some people having 10 houses while other people live on the streets. Although, alternatively, the wealth inequality in football trickles down into the real world and people's livelihoods too, so they're not actually separate realms.

Ultimately, we watch a sport where millionaires kick a ball around. if any of us had the courage of our convictions we'd give up football in the first place. We are all hypocrites, but yeah them more than most.

I mean technically celebrities who give to charity are hypocrites too. Even the rare ones who do it out of kindness than for PR. Where do you draw the line? If someone has 50 million quid and gives away 49 million, you can still argue one million is far more than anyone needs to live on (maybe not in London, but certainly in some areas of the world). I know that's a spurious and petty point but I am just saying everyone is a hypocrite to varying degrees.

I understood your point. The reason the level of hypocrisy is so galling with this lot is because they’re forever telling the world their club ‘means more’ - that they’re somehow an example to the world, and an embodiment of being a scouser. Or something like that. I can’t say I’ve ever fully grasped the substance behind all the marketing spiel - I suspect because there isn’t any.

They hold their club up as some sort of an ideal - an encapsulation of what it is to be a scouser. If you want an example of this, look at the recent Twitter meltdown of their official media tub thumper in chief Tony Evans on the topic of ‘scouse not English’ as an attempt to distil and rationalise this load of nonsense.

So if part of being scouse is about advocating for the principles of socialism in Government, and their shitstain of a club is somehow a key emblem or embodiment of being a scouser - a club whose behaviour is indistinguishable from the worst of cartel capitalism - that’s where the hypocrisy becomes more problematic. And that’s why I’d argue the whole thing is pure identity politics - all labels and no substance.

If you look at the reactions of City as a Club - and the response of *most* of our fans - to the Newcastle takeover, you’d see an openness and an embrace of competition. We didn’t conspire to vote against their business model as a Club, and our fans are mostly excited there will be another player on the scene to keep the competition fresh. And this isn’t intended as a statement about the suitability of their owners, but an attitude to the concept of competition.

Look at Liverpool’s reaction - both fanbase and Club - and you get outrage at the idea another competitor might come on the scene, and an attempt to fix the competition by voting to outlaw their business model. Or look at Project Big Picture - created by Liverpool and pushed by their former Chief Exec Rick Parry - to ‘fix’ the competition with special anti-competitive status for the same old clubs, essentially buying off the rest of the football pyramid in a time of financial crisis to cement their place at the top forever. It was such a flagrant land grab it thankfully didn’t get off the ground - but that was their clear intention.

And don’t get me started on their owners, who have proven themselves to be happy to cheat, lie and steal their way to winning whilst investing as little as possible in the game as they can get away with.

Yet these ‘proud socialists’ are happy to swallow it all to keep their club on top. Pure hypocrisy - European Royalty one minute, committed Trotskyites the next. As it suits them. The reality is their club is no different to any other business run by your classic cartel capitalist. The only thing they ‘mean more’ of is more swaggering, arrogant, aggressive elitism.

 

[hello]

Bear in mind I have never supported a club that's a rival to Liverpool, or really been exposed to their cult as never been English and rarely visited their forums until recently. Plus I like watching them play which probably lends some bias in terms of not hating them off the pitch. They might well be cunts, who knows.

If your only perspective was on the pitch and you luckily avoided meeting the cultish cunts in real life & avoided the media, then it would be understandable to acknowledge them as the 2nd best team in England in recent history. Their would be merits in watching their games without expressly wanting whoever they play to win for pure reasons of contrasting styles. Those of us whom had the misfortune to meet any of them or listened to the buck toothed whinging victim twunt of a manager will carry on hating them though.

 

[Andy TheCatalyst Morrison]

Thing is, they talk about socialism as being a set of principles that are vital and important to them - yet as a fanbase they’re forever telling everyone who’ll listen that they’re ‘football royalty’ with no sense of irony, and advocating for a closed shop which means only the clubs who have the highest revenues can invest in their teams. Essentially locking in the old ‘top 4’, and limiting the hope of actually winning anything meaningful to the same group of clubs ad infinitum.

There is nothing in how they behave as a fan base which in any way acknowledges the principles of wealth distribution, or the distribution of resources and opportunity - as a club and a fanbase, they advocate the worst form of capitalism. A cartel monopolising resources for the very few. To use their own terminology, they’re royalists.

All their talk of socialism is pure identity politics - when it comes to actually understanding and applying socialism in practice, they don’t want anything to do with it.

Bunch of pig thick hypocrites poncing about behind the idea of radicalism, with not a trace of courage behind their convictions - like a public schoolboy in a Che Guevara t-shirt!

Spot on. And very similar to the GPC who also "identifies" as a socialist.

 

[wolviedinho]

I wonder what Var ‘mistakes’ will be evident today in Merseyside? Scousers looked flat last time out and will need that special atmosphere, sorry that special relationship with Pigmol to keep up with the blue cheats ;)

 

[Oldham Exile]

Thing is, they talk about socialism as being a set of principles that are vital and important to them - yet as a fanbase they’re forever telling everyone who’ll listen that they’re ‘football royalty’ with no sense of irony, and advocating for a closed shop which means only the clubs who have the highest revenues can invest in their teams. Essentially locking in the old ‘top 4’, and limiting the hope of actually winning anything meaningful to the same group of clubs ad infinitum.

There is nothing in how they behave as a fan base which in any way acknowledges the principles of wealth distribution, or the distribution of resources and opportunity - as a club and a fanbase, they advocate the worst form of capitalism. A cartel monopolising resources for the very few. To use their own terminology, they’re royalists.

All their talk of socialism is pure identity politics - when it comes to actually understanding and applying socialism in practice, they don’t want anything to do with it.

Bunch of pig thick hypocrites poncing about behind the idea of radicalism, with not a trace of courage behind their convictions - like a public schoolboy in a Che Guevara t-shirt!

Well said - great points!!

They are back to hankering after the SL - but of course only if CITY are not included - to ensure that they, and other 'istree clubs', are always at the top