Liverpool Thread - 2022/23

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DenisHasDoneIt said:
And if you’re reading, David, I know you put your name to your opinions, and I don’t to mine, so fair play to you. But City fans were not singing about Hillsborough, and the deaths of Liverpool fans that day, but about the hypocrisy of Mass Deaths They Won’t Refer To vs. Mass Deaths They Won’t Stop Referring To. And the IRA songs. And the joy at the death of the Queen. (Cue Sam Lee: “Probably some right-wing monarchist crew” - Jesus wept). And the coach-bricking. And the scousewashing, in which you played your part. And you know it, David.
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Maybe they are following the Athletic strategy of talking about City for others & not blues.

I won’t subscribe - they can all fuck off.
 
Always the victims.....
The list of shame when referring to this vile club is long. Obviously Heysel stands out but to me, one incident sums up their immoral actions.
Michael Shields was convicted of Attempted Murder by a Bulgarian court of hitting a totally innocent waiter over the head with a stone* leaving him with severe injuries. That was bad but the subsequent campaign to free him is beyond words. The campaign group tried to force a totally innocent man to take the blame. Religious and political leaders from Liverpool all joined in stating his innocence. One of the main political figures was Joe Anderson. This is the man who is currently the Mayor of Liverpool but suspended amid corruption allegations.
The club itself was fully behind the campaign allowing, on the opening day of the 2005/6 season, an entire stand to be used by fans to form a mosaic saying 'Free Michael'. (The club again allowed a Free Michael Now Mosaic in the 2008 season)
As is the case with many countries Shields was allowed to serve his sentence in the UK and this is when the campaign really got going. Pressure was put on the Home Secretary, Jack Straw to free him, extreme pressure. Jack Straw gave Shields an unprecedented and totally unexplained Royal Pardon. Shields was the first and is the ONLY person convicted abroad to be given a Royal Pardon. As I say Straw has never explained the reason for this pardon.
There is a suspicion that members of the campaign group told Straw they would run against him at the next election. Fearing his vote would be split and he would therfore lose his seat he caved in.
The fans, the football club and Liverpool big wigs all set out to pervert the course of justice. That they were aided by a senior Labour politician is a stain on our legal system.

*people talk of this attack and use the phrase paving slab. It wasn't. The man that was forced to confess, Graham Sankey stated it was a paving slab. This helped show it was a forced confession as the Bulgarian authorities knew a paving slab had not been used. Sankey stated he'd confessed as he feared for his life and also family members lives.

But of course it wasn't their fault. It never is.
 
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Blue Mist said:
Always the victims.....
The list of shame when referring to this vile club is long. Obviously Heysel stands out but to me, one incident sums up their immoral actions.
Michael Shields was convicted of Attempte Murder by a Bulgarian court of hitting a totally innocent waiter over the head with a stone* leaving him with severe injuries. That was bad but the subsequent campaign to free him is beyond words. The campaign group tried to force a totally innocent man to take the blame. Religious and political leaders from Liverpool all joined in stating his innocence. One of the main political figures was Joe Anderson. This is the man who is currently the Mayor of Liverpool but suspended amid corruption allegations.
The club itself was fully behind the campaign allowing, on the opening day of the 2005/6 season, an entire stand to be used by fans to form a mosaic saying 'Free Michael'. (The club again allowed a Free Michael Now Mosaic in the 2008 season)
As is the case with many countries Shields was allowed to serve his sentence in the UK and this is when the campaign really got going. Pressure was put on the Home Secretary, Jack Straw to free him, extreme pressure. Jack Straw gave Shields an unprecedented and totally unexplained Royal Pardon. Shields was the first and is the ONLY person convicted abroad to be given a Royal Pardon. As I say Straw has never explained the reason for this pardon.
There is a suspicion that members of the campaign group told Straw they would run against him at the next election. Fearing his vote would be split and he would therfore lose his seat he caved in.
The fans, the football club and Liverpool big wigs all set out to pervert the course of justice. That they were aided by a senior Labour politician is a stain on our legal system.

*people talk of this attack and use the phrase paving slab. It wasn't. The man that was forced to confess, Graham Sankey stated it was a paving slab. This helped show it was a forced confession as the Bulgarian authorities knew a paving slab had not been used. Sankey stated he'd confessed as he feared for his life and also family members lives.

But of course it wasn't their fault. It never is.
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This is always the issue with Liverpool. It's not that they have more than their fair share of wanker fans, it's how the club itself conspires to cover up, downplay or otherwise implicitly condone such behaviour. Be it threatening to 'unleash the fans' before the mealy-mouthed 'Oops, not like that' from behind their smirks, or deflecting from the behaviour of their fans by attacking someone (anyone) else they could spin as being to blame.

The other issue with both Liverpool and Man Utd is the commercialisation of their past disasters, and the demands for respect that they don't follow themselves. We've just happened to be the visiting team for both the 25th anniversary of the Hillsborough disaster and the 50th anniversary of the Munich disaster. In both cases, our club and fans conducted themselves impeccably, only to be undermined by the clubs that are supposedly mourning. The rags plastering huge sponsorship over their tributes after getting City to agree to no visible sponsors, and Liverpool fans roundly booing every City player for 90 minutes on this supposedly somber occasion that's more important than a mere football match (and if I remember rightly, attacking a fan minibus too). They take it seriously when it suits them and when they can profit from it. That's why there's never anything for Heysel and they feel absolutely fine having a fucking open-top bus parade on the same date.
 
FightLikeAGirl said:
Yeah, my uncle was at the Villa game - I think I mentioned this earlier - and when he came out he saw people standing around a car listening to the radio and looking really upset, and there was a news item about people dying in the crowd at the Liverpool game. I think the total was in the thirties by then and it just kept going up. Luckily he didn't know anyone who was at Hillsborough but the Forest friend I mentioned earlier, his dad and gran were at Hillsborough and his gran never went another football match after that. I don't blame her, seeing a match turn into a massacre would have traumatised a lot of people.

It wouldn't surprise me if Everton fans were more cautious about going to Anfield these days. The atmosphere is apparently much nastier than it used to be. I wouldn't even go the Goodison derby tbh.
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I think part of the issue around Derby games is that they are played in Walton which is an absolute shithole. Lots of pubs after Derby games are shady to say the least and the clientele can change from red to blue and vice versa quickly ( unless you go in the oak or the brick).
The police don't help in how they control them - everton fans are normally penned outside their ground and they just sit where they like at ours in their eyes.
 
Liverpool need this to stay relevant, they have nurtured this tragedy for their own benefit time and time again even up to the point of associating other fans songs with Hillsborough when it's plainly obvious that the songs have nothing to do with it.

The echo don't want any bad songs sung to Liverpool in banter, even though the filthy red rag doesn't mention what their cunts get up to at all.

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

Liverpool fans suffer more vile chants at Forest as wider action now essential

Paul Gorst on the recurring theme of disgusting chants directed at Liverpool supporters and steps that football must take
www.liverpoolecho.co.uk www.liverpoolecho.co.uk
 
mexico1970 said:
Liverpool need this to stay relevant, they have nurtured this tragedy for their own benefit time and time again even up to the point of associating other fans songs with Hillsborough when it's plainly obvious that the songs have nothing to do with it.

The echo don't want any bad songs sung to Liverpool in banter, even though the filthy red rag doesn't mention what their cunts get up to at all.

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

Liverpool fans suffer more vile chants at Forest as wider action now essential

Paul Gorst on the recurring theme of disgusting chants directed at Liverpool supporters and steps that football must take
www.liverpoolecho.co.uk www.liverpoolecho.co.uk
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It’s reverse bullying. Making themselves victims to intimidate the wider community.
 
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