Liverpool Thread - 2023/24

[TinFoilHat]

Klopp is due another wig fix looking at him in their presser today.

 

[Mr Fraser]

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Why do some "organisations" give themselves inappropriate names . The European Research Group [ERG] does no research. The Liverpool Thought Bank does no

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

I'm an 'Older Blue' and yes, I can remember the rise of both Liverpool and Everton in the late 50s/early 60s after both clubs had endured a 'difficult' decade beforehand, including spells in the Second Division.

Dunno if the following observations I posted in 2018 will be of any help!:


"Re. the Littlewoods connection to both Liverpool and Everton from the late 50s onwards. The following 'back-of-the-fag-packet calculations' for both clubs demonstrate how they both got significant traction/lift to become footballing powerhouses from the early 60s and afterwards.

It is really difficult to find financial statements on record for English clubs prior to 1974. I’ve never been able to find the annual statement of accounts for the late 50s. But using the published accounts for 1974 (when the Football League archives begin on record) when Everton turned over approximately £1M and Liverpool (FA Cup winners that year) turned over £1.4M, I used the Bank of England’s inflation adjustment thingy to get an approximate value as at 1959 for those turnover values.

The turnovers of both clubs in 1974, as with every club in football, came largely from gate receipts, programme sales, club shops and transfer profits and losses. Until recent years, even the biggest of our clubs weren’t actually that big in terms of ackers generated etc. A standard Tesco store, say, would’ve been much, much bigger than any top class football club.

So, here’s the point. When John Moores, his family and the ciphers he placed into both clubs began investing into Everton and Liverpool, the money provided

(a) £50k cash injection into Everton along with an open-ended personal guarantor offer to underwrite the club’s future transfer activity and

(b) a huge injection into Liverpool’s transfer funds, enabling the purchases of Ian St John, Ron Yeats, Peter Thompson, Geoff Strong etc)

thus pushing a mid-table outfit that was Everton shortly after regaining First Division status and a struggling Second Division outfit that was Liverpool both towards the upper echelon of the Football League.

This investment underpinned the team building undertaken by newly installed Harry Catterick (from Sheffield Wednesday) at Everton and Bill Shankly (from Huddersfield) at Liverpool.

And even with my 'fag-packet calculation', the sums of money injected into both clubs were at least a boost of 25% per year to their respective turnovers in 1959, when both clubs were struggling financially and on the pitch (I’d argue they were more like a 40% initial boost)

Within a couple of years, both clubs would win the First Division league championship and the FA Cup for the first time in ages (or even ever, as in Liverpool’s cup win in 1965)

So, never, ever, let a Scouser, especially of the Red variety, or anyone else for that matter, tell you they ‘did things in the right way’ and look down their nose at you.

To dine at the top table of football has always required huge sums of money, whatever the era. Both Merseyside giants got a massive helping hand from the Moores family and Littlewoods, however you calculate it. And it wasn’t for nothing that Everton took over Sunderland’s 1950s mantle of being known as ‘The Bank Of England Club’.."

The best post I've seen on this thread.
Someone should stick it up on RAWK

 

[mexico1970]

 

[ysmsa]

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When you parade on the anniversary of Heysel then nothing will cause a sleepless night

 

[manimanc]

Is there not a petition started by these lot yet to get AFCON suspended?

 

[Gordyola]

I'm an 'Older Blue' and yes, I can remember the rise of both Liverpool and Everton in the late 50s/early 60s after both clubs had endured a 'difficult' decade beforehand, including spells in the Second Division.

Dunno if the following observations I posted in 2018 will be of any help!:


"Re. the Littlewoods connection to both Liverpool and Everton from the late 50s onwards. The following 'back-of-the-fag-packet calculations' for both clubs demonstrate how they both got significant traction/lift to become footballing powerhouses from the early 60s and afterwards.

It is really difficult to find financial statements on record for English clubs prior to 1974. I’ve never been able to find the annual statement of accounts for the late 50s. But using the published accounts for 1974 (when the Football League archives begin on record) when Everton turned over approximately £1M and Liverpool (FA Cup winners that year) turned over £1.4M, I used the Bank of England’s inflation adjustment thingy to get an approximate value as at 1959 for those turnover values.

The turnovers of both clubs in 1974, as with every club in football, came largely from gate receipts, programme sales, club shops and transfer profits and losses. Until recent years, even the biggest of our clubs weren’t actually that big in terms of ackers generated etc. A standard Tesco store, say, would’ve been much, much bigger than any top class football club.

So, here’s the point. When John Moores, his family and the ciphers he placed into both clubs began investing into Everton and Liverpool, the money provided

(a) £50k cash injection into Everton along with an open-ended personal guarantor offer to underwrite the club’s future transfer activity and

(b) a huge injection into Liverpool’s transfer funds, enabling the purchases of Ian St John, Ron Yeats, Peter Thompson, Geoff Strong etc)

thus pushing a mid-table outfit that was Everton shortly after regaining First Division status and a struggling Second Division outfit that was Liverpool both towards the upper echelon of the Football League.

This investment underpinned the team building undertaken by newly installed Harry Catterick (from Sheffield Wednesday) at Everton and Bill Shankly (from Huddersfield) at Liverpool.

And even with my 'fag-packet calculation', the sums of money injected into both clubs were at least a boost of 25% per year to their respective turnovers in 1959, when both clubs were struggling financially and on the pitch (I’d argue they were more like a 40% initial boost)

Within a couple of years, both clubs would win the First Division league championship and the FA Cup for the first time in ages (or even ever, as in Liverpool’s cup win in 1965)

So, never, ever, let a Scouser, especially of the Red variety, or anyone else for that matter, tell you they ‘did things in the right way’ and look down their nose at you.

To dine at the top table of football has always required huge sums of money, whatever the era. Both Merseyside giants got a massive helping hand from the Moores family and Littlewoods, however you calculate it. And it wasn’t for nothing that Everton took over Sunderland’s 1950s mantle of being known as ‘The Bank Of England Club’.."

If FFP has been around it would have been possible Same as the rags floating on the stock market

 

[TinFoilHat]

Gracious.

 

[Toffeedude]

I'm an 'Older Blue' and yes, I can remember the rise of both Liverpool and Everton in the late 50s/early 60s after both clubs had endured a 'difficult' decade beforehand, including spells in the Second Division.

Dunno if the following observations I posted in 2018 will be of any help!:


"Re. the Littlewoods connection to both Liverpool and Everton from the late 50s onwards. The following 'back-of-the-fag-packet calculations' for both clubs demonstrate how they both got significant traction/lift to become footballing powerhouses from the early 60s and afterwards.

It is really difficult to find financial statements on record for English clubs prior to 1974. I’ve never been able to find the annual statement of accounts for the late 50s. But using the published accounts for 1974 (when the Football League archives begin on record) when Everton turned over approximately £1M and Liverpool (FA Cup winners that year) turned over £1.4M, I used the Bank of England’s inflation adjustment thingy to get an approximate value as at 1959 for those turnover values.

The turnovers of both clubs in 1974, as with every club in football, came largely from gate receipts, programme sales, club shops and transfer profits and losses. Until recent years, even the biggest of our clubs weren’t actually that big in terms of ackers generated etc. A standard Tesco store, say, would’ve been much, much bigger than any top class football club.

So, here’s the point. When John Moores, his family and the ciphers he placed into both clubs began investing into Everton and Liverpool, the money provided

(a) £50k cash injection into Everton along with an open-ended personal guarantor offer to underwrite the club’s future transfer activity and

(b) a huge injection into Liverpool’s transfer funds, enabling the purchases of Ian St John, Ron Yeats, Peter Thompson, Geoff Strong etc)

thus pushing a mid-table outfit that was Everton shortly after regaining First Division status and a struggling Second Division outfit that was Liverpool both towards the upper echelon of the Football League.

This investment underpinned the team building undertaken by newly installed Harry Catterick (from Sheffield Wednesday) at Everton and Bill Shankly (from Huddersfield) at Liverpool.

And even with my 'fag-packet calculation', the sums of money injected into both clubs were at least a boost of 25% per year to their respective turnovers in 1959, when both clubs were struggling financially and on the pitch (I’d argue they were more like a 40% initial boost)

Within a couple of years, both clubs would win the First Division league championship and the FA Cup for the first time in ages (or even ever, as in Liverpool’s cup win in 1965)

So, never, ever, let a Scouser, especially of the Red variety, or anyone else for that matter, tell you they ‘did things in the right way’ and look down their nose at you.

To dine at the top table of football has always required huge sums of money, whatever the era. Both Merseyside giants got a massive helping hand from the Moores family and Littlewoods, however you calculate it. And it wasn’t for nothing that Everton took over Sunderland’s 1950s mantle of being known as ‘The Bank Of England Club’.."

Spot on.

Can I say, just for the record, that I would be very very happy for a super rich person to buy Everton and turn us around, yes please. However, I guess we have no chance. If only we had done it with a few pennies like our neighbours did. What an example they are to the rest of us.

 

[ysmsa]

Is there not a petition started by these lot yet to get AFCON suspended?

There was but they pulled it when Salah got injured