Liverpool Thread - 2023/24

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Impressive

I have 2 child's I'm open to offers mate :+)

Describe the cat’s personality and circumstances.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Yes I’d kick a cat for those things. Of course I would. For me or a child, yes.

That was my only point really. Almost everyone has a price to betray their principles. The price varies depending on how strong the principles are held and the need for the benefit. Maybe went too far calling everyone on the planet a **** for it, but enough already :)

Enjoy the match. Hopefully.

 

[Bluearmy]

And there's the narrative for the season if they don't win anything, in transition. I bet it won't be mentioned if they win a few games on the bounce. I can see them struggling, they've lost their intimidating presence they once had, a bit like Old Trafford, nobody is scared anymore.

Oh they’ll be fluffed relentlessly by the media. Par for the course with the red shirts…

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

That was my only point really. Almost everyone has a price to betray their principles. The price varies depending on how strong the principles are held and the need for the benefit. Maybe went too far calling everyone on the planet a **** for it, but enough already :)

Enjoy the match. Hopefully.

Completely agree. Just don’t think Henderson needed to abandon his. He wasn’t protecting anything. He has nothing to protect in the financial sense.

 

[TheThirdDeano]

I would transfer it, but Coutts have just closed my account for having too much personality.

Those pencil pushing bastards

 

[halfcenturyup]

Completely agree. Just don’t think Henderson needed to abandon his. He wasn’t protecting anything. He has nothing to protect in the financial sense.

Then I guess the "principles" he espoused just weren't very strongly held. The ****.

Not a bad first half, btw.

 

[Protein Junkie]

Its an interesting philosophical debate tbh.

Which is the most reprehensible? That Henderson has abandoned his principles for (even more) money, or that he never held those stridently stated views in the first place, and only did so for commercial gain.

And one of them has to be the reality and either way he’s a greedy ****. His family are going to be fine, either way. Financially, at least. If he’s a shit dad, no amount of money will be able to paper over that crack.

Don‘t agree that ‘anyone’ would act this way. I earn good money and I turn down well paid work all the time for lots of reasons, usually because it’s not in the other person’s best interests. That doesn’t make me a hero, but just someone who realises that there is much more to happiness than money, and that I’m very lucky to earn what I do.

I suspect that Henderson does not possess the critical thinking skills to appreciate this.

It is also a Psychological debate GDM.
I think a lot of people link happiness to money. The argument is whether more money can make you more happy.
I like your point that there is more to happiness than money. I would go further and actually state that money merely can prevent unhappiness.
Therefore where exactly will Henderson get his motivation from ? In all probability it’s to prevent future unhappiness than any immediate or short term gratification.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

Yes I’d kick a cat for those things. Of course I would. For me or a child, yes.


I don’t think I’d kick a child to save a cat though.

99% of kids are annoying little cunts, I'd pay good money to give some of them a boot without risk of prosecution.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

99% of kids are annoying little cunts, I'd pay good money to give some of them a boot without risk of prosecution.

99% is way off. It’s no more than 87%!

 

[SebastianBlue]

Without wanting to drag this off-topic, I will admit that I may have over-generalised based on my experiences with the people I have lived and worked with. I, too, have met many people in many places who, in that particular environment, have seemed to be friendly, welcoming and hardworking, family oriented and law-abiding.

The thing is this. Most people know it's not OK to kick a cat, unless they play for West Ham. How much money would it take for someone, nevertheless, to kick a cat? Here in Thailand, $10 should do it. In the UK, a thousand? How many would turn down 10 thousand if they kicked a cat? That makes everyone who doesn't turn down the money a self-serving ****. Hypocritical?Maybe. But to me, its more a reflection that their anti-cat-kicking views just weren't held strongly enough to counter the self-benefitting instinct. And that is where Henderson fits in. He doesn't like to kick cats, but he just sent one into orbit for money. Perfectly normal behaviour.

Is there nothing in this world that you wouldn't turn down to kick a cat?

This is a common thought experiment to explore the nature of morality and self-motivated behaviour in humans. There is obviously truth to the exercise.

But it is not in contradiction to my assertion that most people are just trying to make it through the day the best they can, whilst taking care of those that rely on them (or that they perceive rely on them).

Again, these concepts are not mutually exclusive. People often want to reduce things down to binary states: true or false, this or that, us or them.

But the world very rarely works that way. Almost nothing is absolute. Each person is a multitude—sometimes on balance for the good, sometimes for the bad, but most often firmly in between.

As I said in my previous post, everyone has moments that test their ideals, and moments where they compromise them for their own (or their loved ones’) gain. But that doesn’t mean such self-interested behaviour consumes their every waking moment. Or even most of them.

I think you and I see the world differently, which is why we clash so much on so many topics. You tend to see things in absolutist terms, with only rare instances of nuance. Whereas I tend to see things in relativist terms, with only rare instances of absolutes.

And that transfers over to how we see people. It seems, based on your statements, that if a person has ever kicked a cat for £10,000, then they are inherently a self-interested person. Whereas, for me, a person having kicked a cat for £10,000 is not enough evidence of their self-serving nature.

Because we have all been tested and failed. Some of us many times. But we have also been tested and passed. Often, again, many times.

We are not merely the sum total of our mistakes and moments of weakness. And I would hate to walk through the world with that mindset.

At any rate, Henderson is a ****, for many reasons. But he isn’t an evil ****. And perhaps he’ll surprise us all and continue his advocacy whilst playing in Saudi Arabia.

Though, if I am honest, I sincerely doubt it, for the same reason that most members of the LGBTQ+ community there don’t, even if he has far, far more protection and power.

Which is really where my disappointment lies: not in him being a ****, just him being one that wastes a position few of us will ever realise.