Liverpool thread

[Damocles]

You're right up to a point. To those on the outside, it's a discernibly crude and calculated MO lacking any subtlety whatsoever. It's only because Liverpool supporters are so inculcated into their cult that they can't see through it.

Agreed but he doesn't need the rest of us to see through, just needs the scousers to think he's genuine which they seem to

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Agreed but he doesn't need the rest of us to see through, just needs the scousers to think he's genuine which they seem to

I think you give him too much credit, I think he's swallowed his own hype.

 

[silverback]

Edited for accuracy!

Many thanks.

 

[SilverFox2]

I think the fact that City have seemed to lose their way (not for the first time it has to be said) has allowed a little bit of breathing space for the rest.

 

[avoidconfusion]

Sturridge is apparently the 2nd best Striker in the League according to Carragher... lol

 

[worsleyweb]

Good news that beating Villa has bought Brenda another few weeks. Let them suffer him for as long as possible.

 

[Damocles]

I think you give him too much credit, I think he's swallowed his own hype.

I'm not sure the entire country barracking him and calling him a self righteous twat for several years really counts as hype.

I also don't think that you, or anyone REALLY, gives enough credit to any professional manager who has reached the absolute pinnacle of their industry which is competed in by millions of people and the talent it has taken them to get there.

 

[Blue Smarties]

I'm not sure the entire country barracking him and calling him a self righteous twat for several years really counts as hype.

I also don't think that you, or anyone REALLY, gives enough credit to any professional manager who has reached the absolute pinnacle of their industry which is competed in by millions of people and the talent it has taken them to get there.

Ye but la, 'e got bummed by a tranny.

 

[superseiyan]

Now saying that Sturridge not being around definitely cost us champions league last season and that he's shown "when the tools are there, he produces".

Dude, STFU! All LFC fans want the team to win, so just win, and if you're going to lose, try and look like you give a shit rather than have deputy coaches talk about how the team is "very happy with themselves" for needing PKs to beat a League 2 side.

This yapping doesn't help.

1. It doesn't help Sturridge.
2. It doesn't inspire confidence on the players playing.
3. You out yourself as a hypocrite, because why are Ibe, Allen and Lovren treated differently to probably superior players like Markovic, Lucas and Sakho if it's a matter of tools?
4. We have a hellish stretch of games coming up, at least let's get through that.

Just win. Eff me, not even win but try and look good losing dude, then talk.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

I'm not sure the entire country barracking him and calling him a self righteous twat for several years really counts as hype.

I also don't think that you, or anyone REALLY, gives enough credit to any professional manager who has reached the absolute pinnacle of their industry which is competed in by millions of people and the talent it has taken them to get there.

well we discussed all that a while back, I gave my counter-view to yours about his achievements.

The thing about that point is managers tend to get judged against their peers. So naturally, Brendan Rodgers is a mile ahead of me or you in terms of achievement as a manager, but I don't judge him against me, I judge him against his peers, that's why people don't go round offering constant praise because he's doing his job, he's doing it judged against his rivals. Sure, some people have the daft "well I can do better because of FM" mentality, but in the main he's only judged against his rivals.

Now, I'm sure down the pub Rodgers could enlighten us all on the ins and outs of coaching players, nurturing and developing them. That doesn't stop him being completely irrational and consumed by his view of himself as Liverpool manager, or what it means to be Liverpool manager. I raised this in those posts a while back. I think it all stems from the success of 2013-14 and the mad circus that surrounded Hillsborough remembrance that year, it created this vibe, this outpouring and complete farce surrounding Liverpool which I feel, seeing the way Rodgers has behaved in the past few years, Rodgers has completely swallowed, and swallowed the role he plays in that as well. He doesn't come across as trying to appease his own club's supporters, or that he's being very calculated with his comments. It comes across, with the glint in his eye, and the way he's behaved in training sessions with the camera observing him, that he really is full of himself, which you need to be an elite pro, but that also means that he's vulnerable to swallowing the adulation hook, line and sinker. I think he has, it's just my view, but for me it's why he needs to leave Liverpool, and if he's really serious about proving himself as a manager with his own style and ethos, bugger off to somewhere like Spain and make it work for him there, out of the British media spotlight.

In the same way Mourinho took manipulating to the press too far, and believed his own hype too much and starting sounding petty, embarrassing and a bit broken, Rodgers has fallen the same way. Contrast that to Ferguson, who manipulated it in such a way that he was often if not always in control, and knew how to push his agenda, then I think you see the difference between the man who has mastered his own skill set and identity, and the one who is completely out of his depth and has been consumed by it.