Liz Truss

[gordondaviesmoustache]

She is clinically insane.

 

[NPBlue]

Clearly you haven’t read my entire post. Not once did I or would I defend the current government but just saying a Labour Government would be 10 times better with no foundation is laughable. The way they left the country after their last term would suggest they are no more competent or capable.

The way they left the country after their last term in power?

What was Alistair Darling supposed to do when the banking crises hit? Let the banks crash?

The government at the time was widely praised for its actions in preventing a total financial meltdown. It had nothing to do with Labour policies, which, let me remind you, had improved public services, reduced child poverty, and had overseen the largest increase in our standards of living of any government in power.

Lies from Cameron, waving that note around which was a traditional self depricating message all outgoing Chancellors had left for their replacements, and started as a joke by Winston Churchill in the 1920's, was the excuse Cameron had wanted for years so he could begin his policy of austerity. Youth intervention programmes were cut, police numbers were cut, social care was cut, Remploy was disbanded, 50,000 nurses and doctors were cut, 23,000 hospital beds were removed, savage decisions regarding the employabilty of disabled people were introduced, education funding was cut.....

Those were political, not financial, decisions, as admitted by David Cameron in his autobiography, and widely condemened as unnecessarily cruel and unjustified.

I appreciate you aren't defending the current government, but every single aspect of socialism we hold dear, be it the NHS, paid holidays, pensions, employment protections, consumer rights, environmental standards, and whatever else you can think of, has been introduced by a Liberal or Labour government.

Every single one of those benefits was opposed by the tories, but have a think about this.

A couple of years ago, the tories voted against providing hungry kids with free meals during the school holidays. It would cost too much money, they reasoned. A few weeks ago, a mini budget was announced that would give billions away to those that aren't short of a bob or two.

We have one of the largest imbalances of wealth in the world, millions are sitting at home at the moment effectively living in a third world country because they are choosing to eat or heat, can't afford their rent, can't access dental treatment, and have to wait two weeks to see a doctor.

I can't think of any Labour government which has reduced so many hard working people into the levels of poverty Charles Dickens would recognise. I can recognise the bullshit ' There is no money left' has had on the country and the devastating way waving that note around has impacted so many people in the 5th most prosperous nation on earth.

 

[COAT_OF_ARMS]

To an extent, yes. The most recent Conservative leadership race- was tempted to say this year’s, but who knows?- is the sixth time now that it has gone to the members. Hague changed the system in 1998 after the walloping in 1997, and it’s involved the members ever since. Before 1965, when Douglas-Home introduced rounds of balloting amongst MPs, it was done vis-à-vis informal discussions, which, if the commentators are to be believed, is where they are returning.

Since the new rules came in place, isn’t it the first time that it reached that stage without enough dropping out to circumvent it?

 

[COAT_OF_ARMS]

Dead woman walking. The ghost of Boris is coming.

Like Cincinnatus, he is returning from his plough

 

[COAT_OF_ARMS]

It’s not Dagenham, it’s East Ham, as in, she’s East Ham which is one stop short of Barking.

I have heard her called Dagenham. The suggestion isn’t that she’s bordering on barking, but that she’s overshot it entirely.

 

[COAT_OF_ARMS]

Whatever anyones political persuasion we should all hold the same ambition and vision which is for this country and all its citizens to have the opportunity to prosper. Now that might sound ideological but if you can’t start with an ambition what hope is there. What I see now is a divided, broken country which should be one of the best places to live in the world. Sadly the reality is very different and we are heading for the abyss under Truss. I’ve been a Conservative voter all my life but the current incumbents aren’t fit to lead. Reform and stability is desperately needed. Those calling for a Labour government I fear would be just as disappointed with the likes of Rayner, Abbott et al let loose to try and sort this shit out.

Abbott? Are the right still obsessed with her? She isn’t getting anywhere near government under Starmer or under anyone else.

 

[Gabriel]

Since the new rules came in place, isn’t it the first time that it reached that stage without enough dropping out to circumvent it?

Yes. Duncan-Smith, Cameron, Johnson, and Truss we’re all chosen by a members’ ballot; Leadsom stood down thus negating the need for the members to choose between her and May.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

The way they left the country after their last term in power?

What was Alistair Darling supposed to do when the banking crises hit? Let the banks crash?

The government at the time was widely praised for its actions in preventing a total financial meltdown. It had nothing to do with Labour policies, which, let me remind you, had improved public services, reduced child poverty, and had overseen the largest increase in our standards of living of any government in power.

Lies from Cameron, waving that note around which was a traditional self depricating message all outgoing Chancellors had left for their replacements, and started as a joke by Winston Churchill in the 1920's, was the excuse Cameron had wanted for years so he could begin his policy of austerity. Youth intervention programmes were cut, police numbers were cut, social care was cut, Remploy was disbanded, 50,000 nurses and doctors were cut, 23,000 hospital beds were removed, savage decisions regarding the employabilty of disabled people were introduced, education funding was cut.....

Those were political, not financial, decisions, as admitted by David Cameron in his autobiography, and widely condemened as unnecessarily cruel and unjustified.

I appreciate you aren't defending the current government, but every single aspect of socialism we hold dear, be it the NHS, paid holidays, pensions, employment protections, consumer rights, environmental standards, and whatever else you can think of, has been introduced by a Liberal or Labour government.

Every single one of those benefits was opposed by the tories, but have a think about this.

A couple of years ago, the tories voted against providing hungry kids with free meals during the school holidays. It would cost too much money, they reasoned. A few weeks ago, a mini budget was announced that would give billions away to those that aren't short of a bob or two.

We have one of the largest imbalances of wealth in the world, millions are sitting at home at the moment effectively living in a third world country because they are choosing to eat or heat, can't afford their rent, can't access dental treatment, and have to wait two weeks to see a doctor.

I can't think of any Labour government which has reduced so many hard working people into the levels of poverty Charles Dickens would recognise. I can recognise the bullshit ' There is no money left' has had on the country and the devastating way waving that note around has impacted so many people in the 5th most prosperous nation on earth.

Worth also looking at the balance sheet after a good few years of Tory rule and austerity - much worse, and that was before brexit, the pandemic, the Ukraine and any other excuse they like to trot out for economic incompetence.
In actual fact, these events have saved them by acting as welcome distractions from their overall failure and the contempt with which they treat their 'subjects'.
Get into the political wilderness you cunts.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I appreciate you aren't defending the current government, but every single aspect of socialism we hold dear, be it the NHS, paid holidays, pensions, employment protections, consumer rights, environmental standards, and whatever else you can think of, has been introduced by a Liberal or Labour government.

Whilst certainly no Tory, I feel compelled to correct this. Plenty of progressive Acts passed under Tory governments in the areas you cited: The Environmental Protection Act 1990, The Employment Rights Act 1996, The Disability Discrimination Act 1995 and the Consumer Rights Act 2015 all being examples.

There’s enough to criticise the current government about without having to resort to rewriting history to bolster an argument.

 

[blueinsa]

She is clinically insane.

She is the lollipop lady suddenly put in charge of the council.

As someone put it on here the other day, out of her depth in a fucking puddle.

The result of a system that is nothing short of a political elite old boys/girls club that rewards failure time and time and time again.