Local Elections

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  1. Sean85

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    Exactly, it all seems to be manipulated statistics to make us think we're all better off. Although it's obvious most people aren't, more people in work are skint and there are more homeless people/ beggars knocking about than Ive ever seen, but apparently I'm supposed to believe this lot want to make us all better off. I might be missing something but I really don't see it
     
  2. bluethrunthru

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    the massive increase in the dependence on food banks the huge numbers of people in work but still on benefits due to low wages is somehow disregarded - its all great theres a new rich list reported today - aren't we all doing so well?
     
  3. Sean85

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    Haha yes apparently we are according to some. That's what I don't understand about politics, We're all getting screwed one way or the other but there appears to be a sort of tribal attitude "Everything the conservatives do is great, labour will bring the country to its knees" it's obvious to me the majority of people are worse off, or the majority of people i know are anyway, there seems to be an indifference to it though as people seem to be of the attitude "well the party I support are in power so I'm alright jack". It's such a transparent divide and conquer tactic they've got going it would be funny if it wasn't so sad
     
  4. The perfect fumble

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    The 2010 election was supposed to deliver a Tory victory, it delivered a coalition.

    The 2015 election was supposed to deliver a coalition, it delivered a Tory Victory

    The 2017 election was supposed to deliver a thumping Tory victory, it delivered a Tory minority government.

    The rise of UKIP, the SNP, socialist takeover, diffident youth vote, fantasy economics and the abandonment of the middle ground have all been trolled out to explain Labour's inevitable decline and now we have metropolitan bias and a lacklustre performance in the leafy provinces, and yet the labour corpse keeps twitching and now suffused with a healthy dose of "give a fuck" seems to be doing rather well.

    Just prior to the 2017 election Labour's poll rating stood at 26%, all the pundits predicted a wipe out, yet here we are with right wingers having to move the goal posts yet again in order to frame their Labour unelectability narrative, and on cue you are moving those goal posts behind the net curtains in some leafy suburban semi and drawing your line in the carpet, there and no further!

    It seems Corbyn will meet his Waterloo somewhere between the sideboard and the sofa in some nameless provincial town, and when he doesn't what are you going to do then? Draw your line through the shed at the bottom of the garden?
     
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  5. mcfc1632

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    Just remembering how this exchange started - when you could not allow a discussion by others about the simple facts:

    1. You have posted several times versions of how any traditional or potential Labour supporters that hold what would be considered 'centrist' views are not wanted in the Labour party..........

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    2. .... if the Labour party does not act to secure the votes of people that are 'not as pure of thinking' as you and others on here but are inclined to vote Labour if the party were to offer a 'genuine' broad-church and not be totally dominated by 'far-left ideology' - then it is not going to be elected to government anytime soon.

    You still dodge these facts and make no apology for the disruptive and insulting behaviour.

    This post is further rambling - I notice that you avoid the further facts I pointed out about the number of seats won and do not comment on the to maps I posted links to that totally prove the truth of what I have stated.

    But - anyway let's move on - as I doubt that you are ever going to grow a pair and admit when you are wrong even when it is so clearly evidenced - and examine this latest guff:

    1. The 2010 election - well the coalition was not a major surprise - and that outcome further proves the veracity of my comments on the need for Labour to secure seats away from the metropolitan areas. The impact of the UKIP vote was blindingly obvious to anyone that is not 'hard of listening'

    2. The 2015 election - well why the fuck was that a surprise when a promise of a referendum was included - and that outcome further proves the veracity of my comments on the importance of a party (in this case the Tories) to secure seats outside the metropolitan areas.

    3. The 2017 election - well I can understand how you want to make this all about the 'Corbyn effect' - and really well done to him - he was a great campaigner. But you can only distract so far from the facts - yes the forecast was for a significant Tory majority when it was assumed to be a 'Brexit election' and then came along that ridiculous (from a Tory - and in my case Brexit POV) manifesto of May's. That was the height of self-delusional and that was the turning point.

    As for:

    "It seems Corbyn will meet his Waterloo somewhere between the sideboard and the sofa in some nameless provincial town, and when he doesn't what are you going to do then? Draw your line through the shed at the bottom of the garden"

    I think that I understand what you are trying to do - distract from the inconvenient truths that you cannot just face up to because they burst your bubble.

    The maps in the links I posted - along with pure old commonsense - make it clear that I am right.

    Anyway - off to Southampton for pre-match drinks - so I will leave you to your desperate distracting.
     
  6. The perfect fumble

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    Says the man who told me to fuck off.
     
  7. mcfc1632

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    Ha - but there is of course the key difference IMO..........

    Yes I did do that - but did I then seek to hide behind the extenuating circumstances of your repeated posts distracting from and preventing others from discussing important points just because they to not suit your agenda/narrative?

    No - I demonstrated that I 'have a pair' - and apologised - you should try it.
     
  8. The perfect fumble

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    Your facts are what? That Labour did not secure a majority in vast swathes of middle England at the last election and therefore it will never secure a majority in vast swathes of middle England? That the Corbyn tide has turned and the keys to number 10 can only be won by a toothy heir to Blair, like David Miliband or David Cameron?

    This monologue has an air of desperation to it.

    The Blairites did not see Corbyn coming, so removed from reality in their own party they were completely blindsided, and everything they've done since has been a shambles, yet they're the answer to our countries problems! You think the Blairites can convince the country when they can't convince their party? You think the country is desperate for a Blair clone? That's how you see things?

    Corbyn, in contrast, has over the last two years, continuously fought and won battles within and without his party. Barely a day has gone by when he has not been pilloried for some imaginary transgression or other, yet here he is, stronger than ever.

    But that's an inconvenient story line.

    So now all the right wing media is busily churning out the narrative that peak Corbyn has been reached, they bang on about it all the time, not because they believe it, they don't, but because they can't sell it.

    And neither can you.
     
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  9. malg

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    Fuck sake lads, it's Sunday morning.......

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  10. KS55

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    Most UKIP people went to the tories and a majority, but by no means all, LIBDEMs went to labour. Both those smaller parties sank without trace at the last GE.
     

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