Looking down on 'glory hunters' is arrogance

[BluePurgatory]

You're making no sense whatsoever.

I'm simply giving my opinion, if you interpret my criticism of gloryhunters as an unjustified attack on individuals (as you implyed by using the term 'dishing it out') then you're mistaken, and you should probably be a little less sensitive.

Also, if your idea of returning inkind is to throw out bizarre, churlish jibes, like replying to posts and simply calling other posters 'deluded', then you're an idiot.

If you take exception to my opinion, engage your brain and challenge my ideas with a counter argument, resorting to playground insults when you read something you don't like exposes you as a bit of a tit.

Haha think by that boring retort I am the one who has hit a nerve. Try taking a chil pill or better still go and boil your head.

Intelligence is a prerequisite of access to teh internetz, particularly message boards, you're lost.

If its helps to feed your intellectual ego. Whatever!.

 

[Mancio]

BluePurgatory I sent you a PM yesterday

then he has all my sympathy

 

[the-ecstacy-of-eight]

I don't look down on the person as a whole, as anyone who judges a person on purely matters regarding football terms should be sectioned.

This sort of comment is generally followed with a sentence which begins with the word BUT and then goes on to explain that the previous sentence is exactly how you feel, thus exclaimimg to those unfortunate enough to be listening to you that you do indeed need sectioning....

However, (close enough eh) I have no problem whatsoever in admitting that I most definitely do look down and have contempt for the action of 'gloryhunting' and the motivations and human characteristics that drive someone to do it.

and what exactly is a glory hunter? Is your definition something along the lines of this.... "Somebody who makes a decision and choses to have an association with something that they ought not to be connected with for reasons relating to success". Well who decides whether they have a right to have this association? You? Me? Who?
So answer me this oracle, if you were to relocate to another country for whatever reason and settle there, would any future family that you had follow City. Are they then Glory Hunters as they themselves have no actual geographic attachment to Manchester? Or is this sort of association OK with you?

In any other walk of life I would have no time for someone trying to associate themselves in a contrived, shallow, false way with something purely because it is glamorous, successful and gives a little bit of reflective glory.

Like somebody liking a band which comes from, lets say New York?
I'm confuesd... So us mancs are the only ones who can "really" appreciate the music of the The Stone Roses because we were the only ones who were there when it first kicked off? What about a band that you've followed since their genesis but who are from a different city? Is this OK? Just so long as we were there in the begining? What about people who were dead when we were born but whose music we have since heard and that we now appreciate, we're not allowed to like them are we? I take it this is how you feel? 'cause I'm getting more confused with your views by the second ...

Or for anyone whose opinion is that they are 'passionate' about something because they look for results on the internet or buy a garment of clothing once a year. So why should I have a different view when it comes to football. I don't like shallow, vain actions in any walk of life. Therefore, I don't look kindly upon them in football either.

I also have a low threshold, but mine is for bigotry, and yes, mine also applies to any area of life as well; I have no time for people who's opinions are simply that, their own thoughts, backed up with no background understanding of a subject and who's only retort when asked to explain their ideas is simply the line "..'cause that's what I think, tha'sall"

That's not to say that I don't recognise why the club needs them and why City are keen to encourage them. Or that I would try to stop someone latching onto a successful club that has no connection to them and deluding themselves that they are 'part of it' - I have no control over their actions and neither should I.

but it does sound like you would like to have that control, wouldn't you? And you haven't answered the simple question posed to you earlier by another poster as to what you define as "Part of it"? Everybody can be part of it can't they? They may have different ideas as to what "part of it" means to them, but they can all still be "part of it" in their own way, however large or small, can't they? Or does this "part of it" you speak of have different levels of "part of it"-ness? Remind me again, was it you who scored the winner against QPR? Or did you supply the cross for the second? Or just stand in the crowd cheering making yourself feel like you were "part of it"?

But yeah, I consider the emotions, choices and characteristics that drive people to convince themselves they are 'part of' something superficially successful, that they obviously only are because they choose to say they are, to be extremely negative and not characteristics I'd admire in any walk of life.

and you are convincing yourself that you are MORE "part of it" because you go to the games at the moment and you still have the same 1990s purple away shirt? Ego can cause some very ugly characteristics can't it? Some may even say that arrogance is a fairly negative characteristic and one which is both superficial and deluded. Not very admirable either.

I know this is an unpopular view though. Not least because people don't like thinking of their actions through such a prism.

Which one of us isn't thinking here?

Think, think some more, think a little bit more, THEN type.

 

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Wow. Didn't realize there were so many proper fans who welcomed glory hunters. To be honest I'm just a 16-year old Indonesian kid who only started to like football when my friend asked me to play PES with him 2 years ago. I played as Real, and that's why I prefer them to Barcelona, but by no means do I support them.

I only liked football recently. I started to support City when I saw a headline: "City v United, FA cup semifinal Derby" on the sports page in a newspaper. I asked my friend "Which one do you support?" he answered like how most Indonesians would. "MU of course!!" I decided to be different and supported City instead. I try to read as much as I can about our (yes, our) history and try not to turn off the TV every time we're about to lose (like many Indonesian glory hunters).

Most Indonesians have almost no choice but to be glory hunters because honestly, the PSSI (Indonesian FA) s*cks. I mean, two years ago there were 2 top flight leagues here! (one illegal) and last year there were actually 2 FAs!!!! Couple that with the fact that a lot of "hard core" fans (I choose not to be one of them just for safety, though I acknowledge them as true fans.) are hooligans that bring a bad name to local clubs. (especially Persebaya, the Indonesian club I try to support) Naturally Barcelona, United, Milan, and Chelski are the popular clubs.

Back on topic, I follow the club on a daily basis. The first 4 tabs every time I open my browser are: The OS, mangafox (yes I am a manga geek. A mild one though.), BM, and the Manchester City page in Bleacher report (because goal.com is rubbish.)

I read a lot on the forum (every day about 4-5 threads) since I found it but I almost never post though, because I'm paranoid and I'm afraid people will bash me for being a kid/late football fan/glory hunter. This thread honestly reassured me that I won't always be bashed like that.

One last thing, I want to support City financially but that's impossible considering I'm a 16-year old who doesn't have much money, one US$ is about Rp.9000 (a cheap piece of bread is usually 1000) and the price of real football shirts are 200.000+ here!

Sorry about my bad English and/or manners. Again I am very paranoid.

No need for any apologies at all. Welcome to the family :)

 

[the-ecstacy-of-eight]

I love it when this topic comes around, usually everyone is walking on eggshells and doing their best to demonstrate a warm and cozy glow at the Manchester City Inn, and then JMA arrives and just completely cleans up. Hilarious.

Actually, big piles of bull-shit are pretty much the opposite of cleaning up, in my books it is anyway.

Besides, I think you speak for the majority of match-going blues on this topic for what it's worth JMA.

Only the ones with a lonely brain cell, pal, not the rest of us.

 

[pudge]

BluePurgatory I sent you a PM yesterday

then he has all my sympathy

Once again Mancio you take a cheap shot for no other reason but to antagonise.

Childish if anything.

 

[BluePurgatory]

BluePurgatory I sent you a PM yesterday

i am here waiting for your reply!

 

[pudge]

BluePurgatory I sent you a PM yesterday

i am here waiting for your reply!

Why?

I already sent it

 

[Deleted member 14625]

BluePurgatory I sent you a PM yesterday

i am here waiting for your reply!

Why?

I already sent it

Rivetting stuff lads!<br /><br />-- Sun Sep 09, 2012 6:40 pm --<br /><br />

The day the etihad is full of cockneys and random day trippers like old trafford is the day I stop going.

Unless we expand the stadium to 70,000 I don't think we'll be having this problem. Season cards sold out in a flash to mostly the existing holders and there were many locals who wanted them but couldn't get them. We could probably sell over 40,000 season cards just to locals right now.

Have you not been to a European game in the last few years? There's loads of em. Different languages all around, cameras out, not got a clue what to make of a Balti pie or why the beer tastes like piss...

 

[sir baconface]

I love it when this topic comes around, usually everyone is walking on eggshells and doing their best to demonstrate a warm and cozy glow at the Manchester City Inn, and then JMA arrives and just completely cleans up. Hilarious.

Actually, big piles of bull-shit are pretty much the opposite of cleaning up, in my books it is anyway.

Besides, I think you speak for the majority of match-going blues on this topic for what it's worth JMA.

Only the ones with a lonely brain cell, pal, not the rest of us.

Two cracking posts, ecstasy. Nuked 'em!