Louis Theroux - Saville

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

I'm sure some people are genetically predisposed, but with others it's about power and/or taboo to which their sexual predilections are a side-show. Some people get off on the fact it's wrong. I'm sure to some extent Savile was one of these.

As Oscar Wilde said: "everything is about sex, except sex".

Yep, however, isolation of a 'sex' gene is very real... Again I've commented before on the types of gratification but power is a societal manifestation, dictated due to environmental factors, which in essence can be reworked...

A sexual preference is a great deal deeper.... The work being carried out is an embodiment of work from the human genome project and stem cell research, it's already into its second decade on this matter, however, results are dictated to by generational gaps so we are talking a good few more years for conclusive results...

 

[PJMCC1UK]

I've spoken about this before, however, the research won't bare any fruit for a good number of years... There's a school of thought regarding a gene that may be carried, current research is being done in the US in conjunction with Oxford university. From the articles I've had access to, combined with the data, it's imo a brilliant piece of research thus far...

The problem is, much like the concept of minoriy report, screening could feasibly become a reality in the not to distant future for crimes never committed...

CRISPR could deal with that. At least we can hope.

 

[worsleyweb]

Yep, however, isolation of a 'sex' gene is very real... Again I've commented before on the types of gratification but power is a societal manifestation, dictated due to environmental factors, which in essence can be reworked...

A sexual preference is a great deal deeper.... The work being carried out is an embodiment of work from the human genome project and stem cell research, it's already into its second decade on this matter, however, results are dictated to by generational gaps so we are talking a good few more years for conclusive results...

Say that in english for me. .

 

[Yates]

If anyone of any age does something willingly it feels some what different. What made savile stand out from the rest was the hospitals and the charity work, the predator posing as a kind man

Ye for sure Saville had that predatory aspect but then again if you're a rock star it may often come to you rather than you having to look but as you stated Saville is above the rest, he's an abuser, molester whilst the others may just be paedophiles ( attracted to minors ) a difference that many don't take into account when discussing such topics. Fine lines pretty much.

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

Say that in english for me. .

Nonces 'could' be born that way (:

 

[TheBlueDune]

Nonces 'could' be born that way (:

And people who aren't necessarily born that way but prefer kids as a means of exerting power might be "cured" by education.

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

And people who aren't necessarily born that way but prefer kids as a means of exerting power might be "cured" by education.

True, but simplistic in its notion, hence the layman for worsely... Statistically what you are talking of was labelled as such because of lack of clinical research, what we'll find over the coming years is a suppressed gene!!

 

[Hart of the Matter]

True, but simplistic in its notion, hence the layman for worsely... Statistically what you are talking of was labelled as such because of lack of clinical research, what we'll find over the coming years is a suppressed gene!!

Really interested in what you are saying and researching. I also work in the realms of Safeguarding and have concerns about some of the profiling that goes on (under representing women offenders for example) My only concern about the tone of this thread is that this is focussed much more on the sexual preferences as a driver. It is/can be about control, manipulation, violence and self harm/loathing as drivers. Are they genetic also? I also fear that genetic predisposition may provide an excuse rather than make some take full responsibility for their actions.

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

Really interested in what you are saying and researching. I also work in the realms of Safeguarding and have concerns about some of the profiling that goes on (under representing women offenders for example) My only concern about the tone of this thread is that this is focussed much more on the sexual preferences as a driver. It is/can be about control, manipulation, violence and self harm/loathing as drivers. Are they genetic also? I also fear that genetic predisposition may provide an excuse rather than make some take full responsibility for their actions.

The issue on this topic is that even after an intense 20 years of research, we still have a missing link.... I agree in essence about accountability, however, the idea behind a genetic profile is so we don't arrive at 'said' actions, thus the responsibility is risk managed, how is that done?? That is a whole different story...

Good point regarding female representation, I'd say the stats have been painting a very different picture for too long as the 'mother figure', in the minds of most, is incapable of harm, it couldn't be more wrong!!!

 

[Hart of the Matter]

The issue on this topic is that even after an intense 20 years of research, we still have a missing link.... I agree in essence about accountability, however

The issue on this topic is that even after an intense 20 years of research, we still have a missing link.... I agree in essence about accountability, however, the idea behind a genetic profile is so we don't arrive at 'said' actions, thus the responsibility is risk managed, how is that done?? That is a whole different story...

Good point regarding female representation, I'd say the stats have been painting a very different picture for too long as the 'mother figure', in the minds of most, is incapable of harm, it couldn't be more wrong!!!

, the idea behind a genetic profile is so we don't arrive at 'said' actions, thus the responsibility is risk managed, how is that done?? That is a whole different story...

Good point regarding female representation, I'd say the stats have been painting a very different picture for too long as the 'mother figure', in the minds of most, is incapable of harm, it couldn't be more wrong!!!

Thanks for the clarification. My frustration is that profiling is based on known criminal cases... in my experience from the last thirty years is that some female abusers got pushed down the mental health routes rather than criminal. That, and the reporting is more difficult and less likely to be believed for the reasons you state. Further still, serious case reviews often relate female abusers as being manipulated by men, thus watering down their own responsibilities/blame for what they have done.