Lucas Hernandez

ono said:
A players old team's style has no bearing on how well a player will play here, but it definitely has an influence on our perception of the player. And it has an influence on the selling clubs perception.

When I ask 'what happened to coaching' I am being deadly serious. It's not at all cliche. We have 3 quality centre backs. Defences need consistency. How would be maintain any form of selection consistency when we have 4 players to fill 2 positions. Centre back units shouldn't be swapped and changed in the same way an attacking unit is. It relies far too much on organisation and knowing the tendencies and characteristics of your defensive partner.

Unless we suddenly think Lucas will be better than Stones and we are going to either move Stones, Kompany or Otamendi on, I don't see the logic in it.
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Have you not seen an improvement in Otamendi this season?

So then don't ask what happened to coaching while asking Pep to spend his time coaching 30 year old left backs to play CB.

Also when you say "we have 3 quality CBs" it makes me think you're including Kompany, but surely no one is silly enough to expect us to rely on Kompany's fitness again?

Because when he gets injured then we have...2 good CBs. For 3 games a week. For the whole season maybe.
 
domalino said:
Have you not seen an improvement in Otamendi this season?

So then don't ask what happened to coaching while asking Pep to spend his time coaching 30 year old left backs to play CB.

Also when you say "we have 3 quality CBs" it makes me think you're including Kompany, but surely no one is silly enough to expect us to rely on Kompany's fitness again?

Because when he gets injured then we have...2 good CBs. For 3 games a week. For the whole season maybe.
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I saw an improvement in Nico towards the end of the season when Kompany returned. I don't think his upturn in form was down to coaching. I think it was down to our full defensive unit being held together by a player who organised the full backline and by giving Nico a consistent partner he was able to establish a relationship with his partner.

I'm unsure what point you are making on Kolarov. From my point of view, he's an adequate 4th choice rotation defender and actually fairly valuable against teams who show limited ambition as he can break the lines with some of his passing. If we were to seek him I could only really see value in replacing him with another defender who is likely to held in reserve. Otherwise, you lose continuity at the back.

I will assume Kompany will be fit. He was fit enough to score 3 goals towards the end of the season and he played in a good number of consecutive games. I'm more confident about him that I have been for around 2 years to be honest.

I'm not suggesting we don't sign an extra defender. I'm suggesting that we don't need two 50m young defenders who may or may not pan out to be battling for regular games with a 30m defender and another defender who is the best of the lot.
 
this kid is highly highly rated and we bidded for him and his brother Theo late last summer. i havent seen a lot of him but he's apparently he is a techincally gifted, intelligent CB (so nothing like Mangala which is good) but also good in the air despite only being 6 feet tall. it seems like whether it's this summer or next he will be a Man City player and it doesn't surprise me because we NEED a left footed CB (kolarov has been a decent stop gap but he's not the future) and there arent many quality left footed CBs on the market (why we went all in for Laporte last summer). he's played across the backline, so he's versatile which is great for options, injuries. i'm not concerned about the price, I trust Pep/Txiki more than Pellers/Txiki to buy quality (no more Bonys and Mangalas).
 
ono said:
I saw an improvement in Nico towards the end of the season when Kompany returned. I don't think his upturn in form was down to coaching. I think it was down to our full defensive unit being held together by a player who organised the full backline and by giving Nico a consistent partner he was able to establish a relationship with his partner.

I'm unsure what point you are making on Kolarov. From my point of view, he's an adequate 4th choice rotation defender and actually fairly valuable against teams who show limited ambition as he can break the lines with some of his passing. If we were to seek him I could only really see value in replacing him with another defender who is likely to held in reserve. Otherwise, you lose continuity at the back.

I will assume Kompany will be fit. He was fit enough to score 3 goals towards the end of the season and he played in a good number of consecutive games. I'm more confident about him that I have been for around 2 years to be honest.

I'm not suggesting we don't sign an extra defender. I'm suggesting that we don't need two 50m young defenders who may or may not pan out to be battling for regular games with a 30m defender and another defender who is the best of the lot.
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I haven 3 points in reply to this.

Otamendis improvement was evident long before Kompany arrived in April.

Why is the price of the players important?

How the f"@k can you assume Kompany will be fit?! How?!!

We all want Vinny to be fit but surely no one is stupid enough to rest our success or failure on him staying fit for a third consecutive season.
 
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