Lucy Letby infant murders trial

[kaz7]

PETER HITCHENS: What if Lucy Letby is not guilty?

I must ask: What if Lucy Letby is not guilty? Actually I very much wish somebody else in the national media would raise this. I have enough enemies as it is. But it looks as if it falls to me.

www.dailymail.co.uk

What a fucking twat , look at me piece that

 

[kaz7]

Here's an article suggesting she must be allowed to appeal...

Lucy Letby Must Be Allowed an Appeal – The Daily Sceptic

The case against Lucy Letby is far from watertight, says Prof David Livermore. Many more babies died than she was blamed for, and she wasn't even on shift when a key insulin bag was changed. She must be allowed an appeal.

dailysceptic.org

... I'd hate to be a juror on this trial.

Babies die in high dependant units so trying to say she wasnt there is stupid , it is all the times she was there that matter. Appealing is afforded to all citizens

 

[PinkFinal]

What do you think about it?

They just can't bear the thought of anyone from a respectable background being guilty of something so repulsive. That's my feeling.
There are doubts in a lot of court cases from what I can see.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Babies die in high dependant units so trying to say she wasnt there is stupid , it is all the times she was there that matter. Appealing is afforded to all citizens

No it isn’t.

The process is you ask your lawyers if they think you have grounds to appeal.
If they do you ask the appeal court to consider giving you the right to appeal.
They look at your evidence.
They can, and often do, say nope, you can’t appeal, your grounds are shit.
So it never even gets to an appeal court.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I think Peter Hitchens is a dick but he’s entitled to ask the question given the nature of the conviction. I’ve asked it myself, but for various reasons have concluded the verdict must be sound. She had a fair trial, gave evidence and was unanimously convicted by twelve of her peers, having listened to the evidence. They, it should be remembered, are also victims in this. What a terrible thing to have to endure and what a responsibility.

 

[Kippax Street 1880]

Just read the article about this case in the New Yorker. It is fucking alarming to say the least.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/...-guilty-of-killing-seven-babies-did-she-do-it

This article is blocked in the UK you can't read it without setting your VPN to elsewhere.

 

[johnny crossan]

Just read the article about this case in the New Yorker. It is fucking alarming to say the least.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/...-guilty-of-killing-seven-babies-did-she-do-it

This article is blocked in the UK you can't read it without setting your VPN to elsewhere.

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[BerkshireBlue]

at the end of the day there are open a shut cases and then there's these types of cases that are very far from nailed on. She should be allowed an appeal as that's what basic human rights deserve. I'm not commenting on whether she's guilty or not as I don't know the full evidence but anyone found guilty because of shift patterns and stats should be allowed to challenge it

 

[ColinBellsjockstrap]

at the end of the day there are open a shut cases and then there's these types of cases that are very far from nailed on. She should be allowed an appeal as that's what basic human rights deserve. I'm not commenting on whether she's guilty or not as I don't know the full evidence but anyone found guilty because of shift patterns and stats should be allowed to challenge it

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

at the end of the day there are open a shut cases and then there's these types of cases that are very far from nailed on. She should be allowed an appeal as that's what basic human rights deserve. I'm not commenting on whether she's guilty or not as I don't know the full evidence but anyone found guilty because of shift patterns and stats should be allowed to challenge it

Is there any new compelling evidence that has come to light?

Or errors made by the judge or other processes that weren't followed?

 

[BerkshireBlue]

Is there any new compelling evidence that has come to light?

Or errors made by the judge or other processes that weren't followed?

there always is

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I’m somewhat uncomfortable about this conviction. And in turn feel uncomfortable about that.

My brother and his wife are both north west consultants and I had Sunday lunch with them the weekend after the convictions and they both said they were sure she did it. For medical and logistical reasons. And they are therefore probably better placed than me to evaluate that.

But I think the evidence is questionable. Doesn’t mean I think she’s innocent. But that isn’t the legal and factual test.

There’s something about this that doesn’t quite add up.

Controversial view, I know. Like I said, I feel uncomfortable about this. The verdict was so emphatic and there have been so few dissenting voices. Both of which give me cause to question my own view on this, but I still have concerns around this conviction.

But I wasn’t there. At the trial. And that absolutely needs to be said.

 

[levets]

Just read the article about this case in the New Yorker. It is fucking alarming to say the least.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/...-guilty-of-killing-seven-babies-did-she-do-it

This article is blocked in the UK you can't read it without setting your VPN to elsewhere.

Extremely alarming!

 

[tweety]

Extremely alarming

What did they say?

 

[MellowJoe]

How does us regular folk read it? If Gordon davis moustache has quibbles then I wanna know

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

How does us regular folk read it? If Gordon davis moustache has quibbles then I wanna know

To me, the overall framework of evidence suggests her guilt, but not all the Is have been dotted and Ts crossed.

There are some gaps in the evidence that suggest there could be some reasonable doubt, but as GDM suggests, we weren’t present at the trial and not privy to all the information.

 

[MellowJoe]

To me, the overall framework of evidence suggests her guilt, but not all the Is have been dotted and Ts crossed.

There are some gaps in the evidence that suggest there could be some reasonable doubt, but as GDM suggests, we weren’t present at the trial and not privy to all the information.

Oh, :/ i thought she might have been innocent there for a while

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Oh, :/ i thought she might have been innocent there for a while

You might be right. She’s a fruitloop either way and needs to be watched through a small lens in a door.

 

[pee dubya]

What did they say?

To summarise, shift pattern and deaths correlation that a large part of the case is based on isn't proof in itself, some uncertainty over the actual cause of death in some of the cases, the entire department was a bit of clusterfuck which could definitely have contributed to some of the deaths, the defence was a bit sketchy, an expert witness was a bit controversial, there was a lack of general scrutiny over the validity of the prosecution/evidence and a culture of protecting the NHS reputation maybe contributed to some of the deaths, and potentially the desire to blame an individual rather than accept systemic failure.

It does kind of make you doubt the conviction when you read it through, even if it still seems like in all probability she did it.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

I’m somewhat uncomfortable about this conviction. And in turn feel uncomfortable about that.

My brother and his wife are both north west consultants and I had Sunday lunch with them the weekend after the convictions and they both said they were sure she did it. For medical and logistical reasons. And they are therefore probably better placed than me to evaluate that.

But I think the evidence is questionable. Doesn’t mean I think she’s innocent. But that isn’t the legal and factual test.

There’s something about this that doesn’t quite add up.

Controversial view, I know. Like I said, I feel uncomfortable about this. The verdict was so emphatic and there have been so few dissenting voices. Both of which give me cause to question my own view on this, but I still have concerns around this conviction.

But I wasn’t there. At the trial. And that absolutely needs to be said.

Do you have a thing for leggy blondes on the bunny boiler spectrum?