I think it’s very concerning that you can line up with 5 at the back, 4 in front (deny space) and have a fast centre forward to hit a diagonal pass too...(We’ve been caught out by that pass over the top for the first goal so many times this season) and we don’t seem to solve playing against this setup. I saw very little in Lyons performance tonight that was any different to the Wolves performances earlier this season when I knew the writing was on the wall for our premier league campaign.
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Lyon CL QF Post-Match Thread
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I think it’s very concerning that you can line up with 5 at the back, 4 in front (deny space) and have a fast centre forward to hit a diagonal pass too...(We’ve been caught out by that pass over the top for the first goal so many times this season) and we don’t seem to solve playing against this setup. I saw very little in Lyons performance tonight that was any different to the Wolves performances earlier this season when I knew the writing was on the wall for our premier league campaign.
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Thank god we weren't playing Bayern after what they did to Barcelona
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To me, this is the end of my love-in with Pep. Gundog always starts, 2 substitutions when we're up against it, criminally leaves Foden on the bench, when he will be one of the best young players in the country, but he can't get a game.
A blind man and his dog would have known that we need a Striker and a couple of good defender, last 2 transfer windows he's signed no-one. Jesus is just not that good a striker.
Rodri and Cancelo are sh*te, Gundog is useless, Mahrez turns up once every 6 games and does nothing the other 5. What did he do tonight when he came on? Jack sh*t as usual.
Thanks for the great 2 years winning the League Pep, but we have a squad that in a year or two without KDB and Foden we will be lucky to scrape mid-table. The players look tired of the tactics used and constantly overthinking caused us to lose so many games this season.
Can we get Poch? It's time for a change
A blind man and his dog would have known that we need a Striker and a couple of good defender, last 2 transfer windows he's signed no-one. Jesus is just not that good a striker.
Rodri and Cancelo are sh*te, Gundog is useless, Mahrez turns up once every 6 games and does nothing the other 5. What did he do tonight when he came on? Jack sh*t as usual.
Thanks for the great 2 years winning the League Pep, but we have a squad that in a year or two without KDB and Foden we will be lucky to scrape mid-table. The players look tired of the tactics used and constantly overthinking caused us to lose so many games this season.
Can we get Poch? It's time for a change
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Going to tell you why I *gag* respect the scouse cunts. They have a heartbreaking CL final loss, they come back and win the whole thing. They have a heartbreaking PL loss, they come back and win the whole thing.. I respect that. We have meekly bowed out of the CL every fucking year we have qualified, it's almost pitiful.
I will say I'm glad we won that CAS appeal though, can't wait to meekly bow out next season. It would have been a shit season if we couldn't meekly bow out of the CL.
I will say I'm glad we won that CAS appeal though, can't wait to meekly bow out next season. It would have been a shit season if we couldn't meekly bow out of the CL.
When Peter Walton says a ref is wrong... you know 1 million percent the ref has got it wrong
I think the ref, in a way, got it right - he should have allowed the game to continue and then allow VAR to review the outcome. The problem in this instance is there wasn’t enough in the trip for VAR to over rule the on-field refs decision. The trip was a coming together rather than a trip so I don’t think VAR would be compelled to overrule... IF the referee is given the chance to review I think he would changed his mind and awarded the foul... and this is one of the fundamental flaws with VAR
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Cue the poisonous bile that a lot of our so called support are good at dishing out. Some of them didn’t even give a toss about this competition. Shame on you guys. Very unlucky city and feel sorry for sterling. Pep thank you for some amazing football this season. Well done to a very organised french team.
Agree with this. For goodness sake remember the success and fantastic football we have seen with this manager.
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I'm a City fan who also follows Lyon (having lived there in the 80's). All those slagging OL off have short memories - they have done City over repeatedly in this competition - it was clear that they had a plan and they stuck to it. Tbh, they are a less talented squad than City's, but as we have seen on a dozen occasions over the '19-'20 season, you don't need to be a better team to beat City, you just need to get your tactics right - press hard and high, pack your defence, quickly close down City players in possession, force them wide when they get into the final third and use route 1 to bypass our midfield/back line and force errors in our 18 yard box.
Stones, Ottamendi, Walker and Garcia should not be playing for City. Same goes for Gundogan. Each of these defenders is either too slow, too clumsy, or too weak to do their jobs properly. Gundog showed early promise, but lacks creative vision and is more interested in passing backwards or laterally, rather than looking to feed those in front of him. He's now a dud. Jesus lacks confidence, and it showed tonight, but we need to keep him and work on cementing consistent performances from him. Sterling makes fewer mistakes than he did, but he too clearly has the odd shocker of a miss in him. KDB is true quality, but was starved of service in that game. Vital components of City's squad are now too old. Too stupid or too slow - not a winning combination.
I agree that Pep's tactics were poor (not for the first time) but for me team selection was just as damaging - the personnel he chose to execute his plan didn't do the job, and he failed to act to change things. Making only two (poor and tardy) substitutions, and leaving Foden and Bernardo on the bench places much of the blame at his feet. Pep has been a fabulous manager for City, but he has repeatedly got it more wrong than we have come to expect this season in the various competitions City didn't win. City are now firmly in a rebuilding phase, but someone needs to tell them, because they haven't made the acquisitions they have needed (e.g. Van Dyke) over the past five transfer windows to avoid the decline we have witnessed this season.
Stones, Ottamendi, Walker and Garcia should not be playing for City. Same goes for Gundogan. Each of these defenders is either too slow, too clumsy, or too weak to do their jobs properly. Gundog showed early promise, but lacks creative vision and is more interested in passing backwards or laterally, rather than looking to feed those in front of him. He's now a dud. Jesus lacks confidence, and it showed tonight, but we need to keep him and work on cementing consistent performances from him. Sterling makes fewer mistakes than he did, but he too clearly has the odd shocker of a miss in him. KDB is true quality, but was starved of service in that game. Vital components of City's squad are now too old. Too stupid or too slow - not a winning combination.
I agree that Pep's tactics were poor (not for the first time) but for me team selection was just as damaging - the personnel he chose to execute his plan didn't do the job, and he failed to act to change things. Making only two (poor and tardy) substitutions, and leaving Foden and Bernardo on the bench places much of the blame at his feet. Pep has been a fabulous manager for City, but he has repeatedly got it more wrong than we have come to expect this season in the various competitions City didn't win. City are now firmly in a rebuilding phase, but someone needs to tell them, because they haven't made the acquisitions they have needed (e.g. Van Dyke) over the past five transfer windows to avoid the decline we have witnessed this season.
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We've done it again and beaten ourselves.
That's a mental problem, not a tactical one.
We've beaten Real by a great attitude.
Tonight we were shaky and sloppy again, lacking confidence and made way too many silly mistakes/poor passes to enter a CL semi final.
Not to our normal technical standards.
In my book the coach is responsible for the player's attitude, but once the game has kicked off he can't do much.
Pep didn't bottle Raheem's 3rd minute lay up to Jesus - doh - or his pisspoor miss.
Pep didn't forget following his man like Kyle did pre 0-1.
Pep didn't make a howler like Ed pre 1-3.
The 1-2 given by VAR is a scandal though.
If 98% of Bluemoon really think Pep's line-up alone is the reason for a bloodless team performance, fair enough.
I don't agree.
Our lads were not upto it.
If Raz wouldn't shit himself we take an early lead and Pep 'did a masterclass again'. Fine margins.
We simply and sadly don't have the mentality monsters Bayern have.
Should be a key factor when signing new players, Txiki.
That's a mental problem, not a tactical one.
We've beaten Real by a great attitude.
Tonight we were shaky and sloppy again, lacking confidence and made way too many silly mistakes/poor passes to enter a CL semi final.
Not to our normal technical standards.
In my book the coach is responsible for the player's attitude, but once the game has kicked off he can't do much.
Pep didn't bottle Raheem's 3rd minute lay up to Jesus - doh - or his pisspoor miss.
Pep didn't forget following his man like Kyle did pre 0-1.
Pep didn't make a howler like Ed pre 1-3.
The 1-2 given by VAR is a scandal though.
If 98% of Bluemoon really think Pep's line-up alone is the reason for a bloodless team performance, fair enough.
I don't agree.
Our lads were not upto it.
If Raz wouldn't shit himself we take an early lead and Pep 'did a masterclass again'. Fine margins.
We simply and sadly don't have the mentality monsters Bayern have.
Should be a key factor when signing new players, Txiki.
Poch.....Pochetino.....hell nah. Keep Pep for another year or two. Give yourself time to see what Nagelsman does with leipzig. If he wins the league and is able to prove himself then you go with him. However, Poch is the worse option.To me, this is the end of my love-in with Pep. Gundog always starts, 2 substitutions when we're up against it, criminally leaves Foden on the bench, when he will be one of the best young players in the country, but he can't get a game.
A blind man and his dog would have known that we need a Striker and a couple of good defender, last 2 transfer windows he's signed no-one. Jesus is just not that good a striker.
Rodri and Cancelo are sh*te, Gundog is useless, Mahrez turns up once every 6 games and does nothing the other 5. What did he do tonight when he came on? Jack sh*t as usual.
Thanks for the great 2 years winning the League Pep, but we have a squad that in a year or two without KDB and Foden we will be lucky to scrape mid-table. The players look tired of the tactics used and constantly overthinking caused us to lose so many games this season.
Can we get Poch? It's time for a change
Pep an absolute pussy in the late stages of the champions league again. Formation was fucking garbage, having gundogan and rodri in the same team should never happen again. I could have lived with going out playing an attacking side, but going out trying to mitigate the opposition instead of imposing our own game is just tragic.
"A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:
interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate
or interfering with an opponent by:
preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision
or challenging an opponent for the ball
or clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent
or making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball."
No opponent near so not offside. (If he didn't touch the ball.)
Cheers for this. Never knew this Is how it worked as always thought the moment you made movement towards the ball and manipulated the ball which is the sole purpose of a dummy hence the name.. you we interfering.
seems like a dumb rule.. also makes playing a high line suicidal.
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3 major incidents sum up the utter frustration of our attack.
First Sterling does brilliantly to setup KDB for the equaliser. Then he does brilliantly to set up Jesus who makes a complete hash of a great chance to our us in front. Then Jesus has an incredible run and pass and sets up Sterling with a tap in and we all know what happens.
Twice Sterling does brilliant work resulting in a goal and a bad miss. Then he misses the easiest chance of his career. At the same time Jesus misses badly but then sets up what should the equaliser.
For a team that scores so many goals we are incredibly profligate. Sterling could easily have over 40 goals this season and Jesus 30. They both have very respectable goal scoring records but are guilty of missing so many chances.
First Sterling does brilliantly to setup KDB for the equaliser. Then he does brilliantly to set up Jesus who makes a complete hash of a great chance to our us in front. Then Jesus has an incredible run and pass and sets up Sterling with a tap in and we all know what happens.
Twice Sterling does brilliant work resulting in a goal and a bad miss. Then he misses the easiest chance of his career. At the same time Jesus misses badly but then sets up what should the equaliser.
For a team that scores so many goals we are incredibly profligate. Sterling could easily have over 40 goals this season and Jesus 30. They both have very respectable goal scoring records but are guilty of missing so many chances.
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Incidently, if you're going to play that formarion, you need to knock the ball down the channels on occasion. City haven't done it for a season and a half. Why?
Opposition defences can push the full backs out wide supported by a centre half because the ball is NEVER pushed down the channels.
It does my head in.
Opposition defences can push the full backs out wide supported by a centre half because the ball is NEVER pushed down the channels.
It does my head in.
I love Pep. I’d rather have him as our manager than anyone else.
But to say he isn’t due a fair share of the blame tonight is silly. Lyon should be shaking at playing is, adjusting and second guessing - not us for them!
Yes it’s important to have perspective and not overreact - posters saying pep should go is a bit silly given everything, but something has to change. The last 4 years now we’ve gone out to teams we either have or would finish 20+pts ahead in a league season - that’s ridiculous.
I really feels it’s a case of putting less emphasis on this competition and just playing our game. This mystical “champions league” is a just a cup competition at the end of the day where anything can happen. We’re 100% a better team than Lyon ffs. This pressure on pep and the players is massive and until we just win the fucker and care less about it, I worry it will continue.
One positive, at least when we do finally win it we’ll be in the ground and celebrating, would have been dire if we win it once in 20 years and it’s a Covid year.
Keeping the faith, onwards and upwards!
But to say he isn’t due a fair share of the blame tonight is silly. Lyon should be shaking at playing is, adjusting and second guessing - not us for them!
Yes it’s important to have perspective and not overreact - posters saying pep should go is a bit silly given everything, but something has to change. The last 4 years now we’ve gone out to teams we either have or would finish 20+pts ahead in a league season - that’s ridiculous.
I really feels it’s a case of putting less emphasis on this competition and just playing our game. This mystical “champions league” is a just a cup competition at the end of the day where anything can happen. We’re 100% a better team than Lyon ffs. This pressure on pep and the players is massive and until we just win the fucker and care less about it, I worry it will continue.
One positive, at least when we do finally win it we’ll be in the ground and celebrating, would have been dire if we win it once in 20 years and it’s a Covid year.
Keeping the faith, onwards and upwards!
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Unforgivable in so many ways. Poor performance by the manager, Sterling always chokes on the big occasion, dreadful defending again etc. We are a shadow of the side that won the league and as we lose key players and are unable to replace them due to ffp, we are heading in the wrong direction. The establishment were intent on stopping us and despite the CAS ruling, they have. I’ve been a ST holder since 1970, but I’m actually glad fans aren’t allowed back into grounds this year, because I haven’t missed it and I have the distinct feeling that I’ve already been to the top of the mountain. I’m thankful for what I’ve witnessed during the last 10 years after decades of garbage, but this has an air of the ‘end of the party’ about it.
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100% cunts, but I'd love our lot to regain that never say die mindset. I say regain cos we had it not too long ago.
Practicing a lineup and formation for 3 days to mitigate the strengths of a side that finished 7th in French league is pitiful and embarrassing. The mentality and subsequent performance stemmed from that decision.
Pep is exceptional but this was pathetic, abject and too common. This team scores an obscene amount of goals, it shouldn't set up with 3 DMs.
Pep is exceptional but this was pathetic, abject and too common. This team scores an obscene amount of goals, it shouldn't set up with 3 DMs.