Making a Murderer

Manchester33 · 9 Feb 2016

Super Joey Hart said:
Are you for real? Evidence showed Teresa never went near the bedroom, no dna, no blood, no sweat, no fingerprints absolute jack shit.

The way that c*nt Kratz in that slow high pitched overdramatic irritating voice in front of the whole world told them about her being sexually abused in the bedroom and brutally murdered, then later they admit she wasn't killed in there is a fucking disgrace and right away at that point the whole case should have been shut down.

Nothing will happen here with this case, for the sake of the whole town and the whole of America KNOWING the police/sherrifs are bent as fuck instead of guessing they are they will just let two lives waste away because it's not worth the outrage it would cause.

Yes, I am for real. Just read that article I posted above and re-think it.

The fact is this, Avery killed her. We don't know exactly how, but he did.

Think for a moment the amount of effort and risk that would be involved for police to frame Avery. Do you genuinely think they would have gone to those lengths and risked their lives to do all this? Come on it's lunacy. Everyone just gets enraged because the documentary plays some tense music and interviews some passionate conspiracy theorists.

CityStu · 9 Feb 2016

Manchester33 said:
Yes, I am for real. Just read that article I posted above and re-think it.

The fact is this, Avery killed her. We don't know exactly how, but he did.

Think for a moment the amount of effort and risk that would be involved for police to frame Avery. Do you genuinely think they would have gone to those lengths and risked their lives to do all this? Come on it's lunacy. Everyone just gets enraged because the documentary plays some tense music and interviews some passionate conspiracy theorists.

If they hadn't, they'd be personally liable for the millions of dollars he wanted to being wrongly locked up for rape. That's a pretty big incentive.

Phil1 · 9 Feb 2016

Manchester33 said:
I suppose it's all impossible to explain completely. No one knows for 100% who killed her other than the people who did.

My gripe about the series is that they depict it as this huge mis-carriage of justice, when in reality, Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey are the only suspects in the case.

Read the articles I posted above, they're really interesting.

They were the only suspects because the police didn't follow up on any other leads. The boyfriend and room mate weren't even asked for alibis for the night in question. The police were after one man from the off.

geoff clipp · 9 Feb 2016

Paul Lake's Left Knee said:
That isnt evidence he committed any crime, it is a theory.

I'm not saying they conclusively prove he participated in the crime, i'm just offering them up as additional evidence outside of the confession which you asked about. Brendan's mother told the police that he had stained his jeans with bleach whist helping his uncle to clean the garage floor on 31st October. I personally don't know if I believe if the garage was definitely a scene of the crime, but the jeans are definitely additional evidence that put Brendan at the alleged crime scene on the day, helping to clean it up with bleach. I don't think they ended up playing a huge part in the trial, but they are definitely something extra on top of the confession.

Uncle Wally One Ball · 9 Feb 2016

Zin 'messiah' Zimmer · 9 Feb 2016

Paul Lake's Left Knee said:
We all know you read that and didnt understand it, dont come on here looking for answers ;-p

Mate, genuinely, this thread is full of fruitcakes, I'd section 90% on the grounds of being thick, nothing to do with mental illness (:

Joking aside, I tend to concur with your Avery conclusions, however, this coercion narrative regarding Brendan is becoming Chinese whispers.... People need to read the transcripts not conclude from the show ffs... His functioning cognitive ability is estimated at 11, can an 11 year old be coerced? Absolutely.. Is an 11 year able to provide facts of his own free will? Absolutely... the letter of the law makes this admissible, however, was he there and involved????

Super Joey Hart · 9 Feb 2016

Manchester33 said:
Yes, I am for real. Just read that article I posted above and re-think it.

The fact is this, Avery killed her. We don't know exactly how, but he did.

Think for a moment the amount of effort and risk that would be involved for police to frame Avery. Do you genuinely think they would have gone to those lengths and risked their lives to do all this? Come on it's lunacy. Everyone just gets enraged because the documentary plays some tense music and interviews some passionate conspiracy theorists.

They had everything to lose it was do or die for them because if the whole department would have been found guilty of setting him up they are finished, if you can't see that they are bent as fuck then your either very naive or lying.

Just look at their faces when in court that lenk just looks like a guilty child being asked if they took the last chocolate bar without asking and saying they hadn't.

Why was Dassey interviewed alone? Why was no one present when they had him drawing pictures of a girl being raped in a room she never stepped foot in? They bullied a severely special needs kid into giving a confession to send down a man that they couldn't afford to let live on the outside because of the legal case.

My heart broke inside when he asked if he would be out in time for wrestlemania they took away his life for their own agenda and it's as simple as that.

There is too much doubt around the planting/tampering of evidence to say he did it for sure but that was never going to stop them, jurors have since come out saying they was basically threatened to find him guilty and also there were family members in that jury of people who was in the manitowoc sherrifs department who was the aggresors in making the vulnerable jurors change their mind, it was heavily in favour of not guilty until they got to work.

mcfc1981 · 9 Feb 2016

crimefeed.com/2016/01/fbi-cold-case-investigator-claims-serial-killer-edward-wayne-edwards-killer-teresa-halbach-framed-steven-avery/

Paul Lake's Left Knee · 9 Feb 2016

Zin 'messiah' Zimmer said:
Mate, genuinely, this thread is full of fruitcakes, I'd section 90% on the grounds of being thick, nothing to do with mental illness (:

Joking aside, I tend to concur with your Avery conclusions, however, this coercion narrative regarding Brendan is becoming Chinese whispers.... People need to read the transcripts not conclude from the show ffs... His functioning cognitive ability is estimated at 11, can an 11 year old be coerced? Absolutely.. Is an 11 year able to provide facts of his own free will? Absolutely... the letter of the law makes this admissible, however, was he there and involved????

The fruitcakes make you feel at home though.

Its a good piece of film making, and unless you read further it would be very easy to believe Avery was innocent, its no WM3 or CP5 travesty of justice though.

Reasonable doubt is far more prevalent in Brendan's case. The transcripts still dont cover everything that was said to him, as with many other cases what was said before the camera was switched on isnt recored, he was clearly confused the camera shows that in a way the transcripts dont, he thought he was going back to school, in addition to saying he was confused, he also contradicted himself so how can anything he said be taken as true? Its not up to him to prove he wasnt involved, it is up to the state to prove he was, if you question the confession, you have to question the verdict IMO. He looked like a wrong un, was from a family of wrong uns and I think in the jury's minds there was as much guilt by association as there was in the WM3 and CP5 cases.

Blue Maverick · 9 Feb 2016

So according to the prosecution
She was tied to a bed, raped, stabbed, throat slit, then taken out, no blood or DNA found in the house at all. Then take her to the garage and shot, again no blood anywhere, they then drive her to a pond, but can't dump her so then drive her to a quarry and burn her there, transport her back to the Averys in a barrel put her in a pit and burn her more.
These two then clean the garage and trailer top to bottom like forensic experts, but decide to then hide her car on the plot rather than taking it to the crusher which they have on site and disposing of it, failing to clean the car of any blood stains which can be clearly seen.
Forgetting aside the Brendan confessions, I cannot believe these two are capable of doing the cleanup side, yes a bullet was found but her DNA could have been put in it, the key been found!!! That place had been turned upside down several times before Lensk went in and he was not been watched all the time as one of the police officers who was there with him at the time stated.
I still believe she was killed by the brother in law and nephew who said he was going hunting.

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