Making a Murderer

[M18CTID]

They only showed part of his interview on MaM. Read his full interview. He's incredibly descriptive, from this they know he is lying to them later on. He is also given the chance to have a lawyer present twice which he refuses twice.

Earlier in his interview he tells them about what Avery said to him, in detail. What Teresa was saying, whilst tied to the bed, in detail. They weren't even being to pushy with him. They seemed quite nice compared to most interrogators investigating a murder case.

I'm certain someone with an IQ as low as his couldn't have come up with this much false information, and the fact that it matches up to physical evidence they found speaks volumes.

I'll have a look when I get chance mate. To be honest, I'm not 100% convinced of their innocence and I accept that the documentary was loaded in favour of the defendants but one thing you can't get away from is that none of it was reconstructed - it was all real-life footage that can't be faked and much of that footage paints the prosecution in a shockingly bad light.

 

[TCIB]

Remember America has a lot of killers running around, if one wanted to have the finger point elsewhere it would not be hard, i reckon i could do it right now on the fly/as i went along and stitch him up. Not saying this did happen but it is perfectly plausible.
Huge open car wreck yard, famous from earlier cases that do show he was a bit of a wrongun.

There are many nuances in this case that make it all to dodgy. maybe he did do it but my christ the LEA fucked it royal and gave massive reason to believe this is a serious cover up. I read the full transcripts of Dasey's "confession" no way should that be admissible as evidence, no way.

If this case had been tested in another state i feel he would have been found not guilty. I would have some crims hung drawn and quartered so i am no left wing type.
Just using reason and logic and following the US law mandate you can't find him guilty of that exact crime. There is far to much reasonable doubt imo.

Personally i would see him shot dead for abusing his younger family but it is not my choice.

 

[M18CTID]

I place emphasis on for this reason. People make an issue of what he said to the investigators, but as any barrister will tell you its what they say in court in front of a jury that matters. That is where people judge and decide. And his evidence there was nonsense and a sure indication of guilt. And in any case, I do not agree that anything he said was in any way coerced. It was not.

Oh it was. Anyone can see that it was. Putting ideas in his head and then trying to get him to confess to his mum in that phone call just to make sure. Only he didn't confess - he came across as someone that had been got at and was just saying things because they promised him they'd let him go. They even fucked up by trying to get him to say who shot her and had to just come out with it eventually to egg him on.

I'm not surprised his evidence in court was nonsense - they fucked with his head so much that it was scrambled beyond all recognition. This is someone who didn't even know the meaning of the word inconsistent. How he can be considered a credible witness is utterly beyond me.

 

[TCIB]

Also that Mav yeah, i cut my finger the other day and the weird dodgy places drips of blood were found later made me "wtf" a bit.
No way on this earth could he clean up all dna evidence that well then make such fundamental errors they would have us believe he made, key, dna on bonnet latch etc.

 

[M18CTID]

For ease of reference. Essential reading for those interested

http://www.newstalk1130.com/onair/c...7717/rebutting-a-murderer-episode-1-14260554/

http://www.newstalk1130.com/onair/c...7717/rebutting-a-murderer-episode-2-14260621/

http://www.newstalk1130.com/onair/c...7717/rebutting-a-murderer-episode-3-14264099/

http://www.newstalk1130.com/onair/c...7717/rebutting-a-murderer-episode-4-14264657/

http://www.newstalk1130.com/onair/c...7717/rebutting-a-murderer-episode-5-14267902/

http://www.newstalk1130.com/onair/c...7717/rebutting-a-murderer-episode-6-14269121/

http://www.newstalk1130.com/onair/c...7717/rebutting-a-murderer-episode-7-14273518/

http://www.newstalk1130.com/onair/c...7717/rebutting-a-murderer-episode-8-14277487/

http://www.newstalk1130.com/onair/c...7717/rebutting-a-murderer-episode-9-14278246/

http://www.newstalk1130.com/onair/c...717/rebutting-a-murderer-episode-10-14279934/

I got as far as the third one and while there are good points, pretty much all of them can be easily debunked and they are debunked by people in the comments section. It makes me laugh how so much is made of him answering the door to Theresa Halbach wearing "only a towel". So what - it's his house and does that automatically make him a murderer? Not only that, how much evidence is there that Theresa never wanted to go up to his property again? After all, she went there of her own accord on October 31st 2005 so she can't have been that freaked out by him.

One inescapable fact is that this was never a fair trial in a million years.

 

[mcfc1981]

what was the big deal about him hiding his number??

 

[Manchester33]

what was the big deal about him hiding his number??

Well think about it. Why would he hide his number if he had honest intentions? There was a record of him harassing her in the past, her colleagues said she used to get phone calls from him mithering her.

 

[geoff clipp]

Well think about it. Why would he hide his number if he had honest intentions? There was a record of him harassing her in the past, her colleagues said she used to get phone calls from him mithering her.

And then the final call he makes to her, the one that kind of sets him up with an alibi, he suddenly doesn't withhold his number. It doesn't look great.

It's weird how in the documentary they allude to there being a mystery stalker as though to divert attention off Avery, but when you look into everything else later, it sounds mostly likely that the person behind the calls they're talking about is Avery himself.

I admit, none of this really proves he did anything and it doesn't mean i could safely find him guilty if i were on the jury, but it's definitely a contributing factor as to why I think he's the one that did it.

 

[mcfc1981]

the meeting had already been set up......what was he getting out of calling her on the day and withholding his number??

 

[the originalkippaxman]

Good documentary and well worth the watch. Question I kept asking myself is why did he not take the stand to defend himself. Why were they trying to rely on rebuffing the prosecutions evidence as there only angle. I am sure if he had got onto the stand he would have been better to explain some of the holes that were so evident in the prosecution. Only thing I could surmise is that he was hiding something that he knew.

Also the Brother of the victim came across as one dodgy fucker seemed to know she was dead before they found the body.