Man for man

[blue12]

I think we have better players ,so still scratching my head as to what went wrong yesterday.
Only thing I can think of is there will to win was stronger than ours.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

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It's not just about players though. It's the system they play, the way those players are coached and how they perform on the day. We've seen plenty of examples over the years where the best team does not necessarily have the best individual players.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

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I believe we have better players then them.

But they have a better manager.

 

[The Northern Baptist]

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As much as it pains me to say it, Baconface is a fuckin genius getting that set of players to play how they do. They are set up very well

 

[southaustralianblue]

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just heard Martin Tyler say that the team didn't get to the ground until less than an hour before the game due to trouble with our travel arrangements. Anyone know anything about this?

 

[Anonymous]

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Fergie wouldn't have his team playing the way Mancini has his .......

their players are trained differently , and it shows ....

Balotelli and his antics wouldn't be tolerated there , he'd have to change his whole game to fit in with their style .... but then they wouldn't buy him in the first place!

 

[blueinsa]

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Baconface>Mancini as much as it pains me to say it.

 

[LoveCity]

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Baconface>Mancini as much as it pains me to say it.

But compare the two at the same stage of their managerial careers, Mancini arguably better.

Give Mancini 20 years and he could be one of the all-time greats based on his early successes as a manager.

 

[JohnMaddocksAxe]

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They were/are totally committed to quick attacks when they obtain possession (although not always against the very best teams).

City have a system that can cope with that but yesterday they totally underperformed. The midfield three in particular were culpable as they showed a total inability to slow down play when in possession and shift the ball around midfield two or three times to negate the initial pressing that United were doing. Do that and the game settles down. Don't do it and it cause the panic that was seen yesterday (although don't forget that they had substitutions that allowed them to keep that pressing tempo up for most of the 90 min)

I presume that there are underlying reasons that won't continue into the season. It was particularly worrying that Toure looked exactly like the docile, unfit shadow of himself that he was in the first couple of months of last season. De Jong, you have to assume will be much better than yesterday's terrible effort. Milner will hopefully not be anywhere near first choice in that position.

 

[blue12]

I believe we have better players then them.

But they have a better manager.

Somebody said exactly the same to me coming home last night.

 

[blueinsa]

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Baconface>Mancini as much as it pains me to say it.

But compare the two at the same stage of their managerial careers, Mancini arguably better.

Give Mancini 20 years and he could be one of the all-time greats based on his early successes as a manager.

I hope so mate

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

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The usually play a simple 4-4-2 with two wide men and the full backs pushing up with them. The players have pace, they play at pace and they are usually deadly with crosses/low balls into the danger area and players being there to meet them. Typically they will have 6 or 7 players forward for attacks.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

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just heard Martin Tyler say that the team didn't get to the ground until less than an hour before the game due to trouble with our travel arrangements. Anyone know anything about this?

He and others said the same for the FA semi final and FA Final. Eventually they're going to realize that it is planned that way as it's the same arrival time for all our away games regardless of the "traditional" arrival time.

 

[jaden19]

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Bacon face would never have started Balotelli with his attitude and performances.<br /><br />-- Mon Aug 08, 2011 2:42 pm --<br /><br />

Baconface>Mancini as much as it pains me to say it.

But compare the two at the same stage of their managerial careers, Mancini arguably better.

Give Mancini 20 years and he could be one of the all-time greats based on his early successes as a manager.

Erm so what about Guardiola, Mourinho, Villas Boas etc...

They are young but have shown far more than Mancini who won titles when the whole Italian league was shit

 

[LoveCity]

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Every time we play them their wingers seem to make a big difference, Nani and Valencia types. Even Smalling as an attacking full-back skinned one of ours yesterday, we are forever vulnerable to their wingers and full-backs.

 

[Deleted member 14625]

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I think we have better players ,so still scratching my head as to what went wrong yesterday.
Only thing I can think of is there will to win was stronger than ours.

I'll maintain that United were a lot further on in fitness terms than we were. If we were fitter, they wouldn't have got back into that game at 2-0 down.

 

[Dobsy]

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Bacon face would never have started Balotelli with his attitude and performances.

-- Mon Aug 08, 2011 2:42 pm --

Baconface>Mancini as much as it pains me to say it.

But compare the two at the same stage of their managerial careers, Mancini arguably better.

Give Mancini 20 years and he could be one of the all-time greats based on his early successes as a manager.

Erm so what about Guardiola, Mourinho, Villas Boas etc...

They are young but have shown far more than Mancini who won titles when the whole Italian league was shit

We lost one game and suddenly loads of people thought Mancini was crap all along. Let's see what pans out this season, he has after all said he wants to see us score more goals.

 

[LoveCity]

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Erm so what about Guardiola, Mourinho, Villas Boas etc...

They are young but have shown far more than Mancini who won titles when the whole Italian league was shit

Guardiola is managing Barcelona and the most gifted set of players ever seen. He's doing a great job but let us see how he manages when he moves on in 2012 or so before fully judging him. Mourinho no arguments. Villas-Boas has proved absolutely nothing yet except that he was a prodigy in Portugal. Mancini won silverware with skint clubs than Serie A with a bigger club three times in a row, this is a much bigger tick on the resume than Villas-Boas winning the Portuguese league or Europa League.

 

[blue12]

The usually play a simple 4-4-2 with two wide men and the full backs pushing up with them. The players have pace, they play at pace and they are usually deadly with crosses/low balls into the danger area and players being there to meet them. Typically they will have 6 or 7 players forward for attacks.

Even when we did break on them when we got possession we didn't do it quick enough ,if they commit 6 or 7 players forward and lose the ball we have got to be better than what we were yesterday.

 

[bluenova]

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You can't underestimate the fact that United have been winning most of their games for nearly twenty years now.

They expect to win, and to come back from any deficit, simply because they are so used to doing it, and their opponents know that, and can panic.

How many of our squad would have that mentality? Even new players at United will quickly get confidence from their team mates, who 'know' how to win. Very few of our squad have ever been in a team like that, and those that have know they are surrounded by players who haven't got that invincibility yet.

It'll take a couple of years at least before that mentality runs through our squad. Once we've had two to three season at the very top, we'll have a core of players who will go out expecting to win every game - and that'll give us those 5 yards that United have on us at the moment.

Mancini may be a defensive manager, but when the team is under the cosh, he is invariably shouting and telling them to push out, and up the pitch. Ferguson doesn't need to really do that as his team is full of overly confident players who won't sit back as readily.