Man for man

[BobKowalski]

Re: Man for man

I think we have better players ,so still scratching my head as to what went wrong yesterday.
Only thing I can think of is there will to win was stronger than ours.

They played better. They won. Its not difficult.

You and others will drive yourselves mad with the 'will to win' or 'better manager' or 'Mario is to blame' or whatever seed of doubt has wormed its way into your head and is now hacking away through your medulla oblongata as we speak.

Deep breaths and glass or two of red will do the trick.

 

[jaden19]

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Erm so what about Guardiola, Mourinho, Villas Boas etc...

They are young but have shown far more than Mancini who won titles when the whole Italian league was shit

Guardiola is managing Barcelona and the most gifted set of players ever seen. He's doing a great job but let us see how he manages when he moves on in 2012 or so before fully judging him. Mourinho no arguments. Villas-Boas has proved absolutely nothing yet except that he was a prodigy in Portugal. Mancini won silverware with skint clubs than Serie A with a bigger club three times in a row, this is a much bigger tick on the resume than Villas-Boas winning the Portuguese league or Europa League.

But Mancini has players like Silva, Toure, Tevez yet makes us play bland boring football. I will say that we played better with Sven or even the useless Hughes.

It's clear that Balotelli is a liability, but he continues to persist with him despite all the trouble he has caused!

Also can you honestly say that if Mancini swapped roles with Guardiola, Barca would play the same brand of football that they do?
Look what Guardiola did when Ibrahimovic and Eto'o were becoming too big for their boots.

 

[davelyncooper]

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We were over run at times, outthought some of the time and outplayed most of the time. Simply ask yourself how many of City's players would get into their team even with the likes of Clevely and Wellbeck playing for them - I am struggling to come up with more than one or two.

It pains me to say that even with all the money we have spent we are still a considerable way behind them, Baconface is a masterful tactician in getting the very best out of his players ON A REGULAR BASIS, the jury is still out with Bobby.

 

[remember arthur mann]

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It's not just about players though. It's the system they play, the way those players are coached and how they perform on the day. We've seen plenty of examples over the years where the best team does not necessarily have the best individual players.

Right on the nail, They've been doing it for years, set pieces all the time, from front to back. Proven yesterday when they brought the younger end on. Our players just kept looking at each other, saying where should I go next?

 

[Didsbury Dave]

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We were over run at times, outthought some of the time and outplayed most of the time. Simply ask yourself how many of City's players would get into their team even with the likes of Clevely and Wellbeck playing for them - I am struggling to come up with more than one or two.

That's total nonsense mate. I'd say we are stronger than them in nearly every position. Rooney's better than anythign we've got then the only players who'd get in our side are Evra and probably Vidic.

We should be beating them with what we have.

 

[jaden19]

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We were over run at times, outthought some of the time and outplayed most of the time. Simply ask yourself how many of City's players would get into their team even with the likes of Clevely and Wellbeck playing for them - I am struggling to come up with more than one or two.

It pains me to say that even with all the money we have spent we are still a considerable way behind them, Baconface is a masterful tactician in getting the very best out of his players ON A REGULAR BASIS, the jury is still out with Bobby.

Exactly. With all the money spent, they looked far better yesterday.

People always talk about that FA CUP semi win, but if Berbatov had scored that sitter he missed, the game may have been entirely different.

Face it guys. Mancini is an average manager and like many rival fans say, we will never win the league with him.
I would have more faith with Ancelotti in charge than Mancini.

 

[Dirty Harry]

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The usually play a simple 4-4-2 with two wide men and the full backs pushing up with them. The players have pace, they play at pace and they are usually deadly with crosses/low balls into the danger area and players being there to meet them. Typically they will have 6 or 7 players forward for attacks.

I would say that pretty much sums it up except to add almost constant movement giving the player with the ball numerous options.

 

[BobKowalski]

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We were over run at times, outthought some of the time and outplayed most of the time. Simply ask yourself how many of City's players would get into their team even with the likes of Clevely and Wellbeck playing for them - I am struggling to come up with more than one or two.

It pains me to say that even with all the money we have spent we are still a considerable way behind them, Baconface is a masterful tactician in getting the very best out of his players ON A REGULAR BASIS, the jury is still out with Bobby.

Exactly. With all the money spent, they looked far better yesterday.

People always talk about that FA CUP semi win, but if Berbatov had scored that sitter he missed, the game may have been entirely different.

Face it guys. Mancini is an average manager and like many rival fans say, we will never win the league with him.
I would have more faith with Ancelotti in charge than Mancini.

But he didn't score. And the game wasn't entirely different. We won. When it mattered. Or do we discount games that matter when Mancini wins them and count friendly games when Taggart wins them.

Idiot.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

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We have the majority of the better players but thay have some better than ours.
They definitaly have the better team and at the moment the best manager - horrible man - but great manager. Not a dig at Mancini - given time he will be a fantastic City manager.

 

[2sheikhs]

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I agree with pretty much everything that's been said and also I feel that we missed a trick at half time. Baconface put 3 second/third string players on at the start of the second half as part camouflage to excuse a defeat putting the match down to a fitness exercise,nothing more. We could and should have seen that as an invitation to go for the throat but instead decided to sit back and defend what we had. Baconface couldn't believe his luck. In the space of 45 mins, a meaningless kickabout had turned into a trophy. A statement of intent. A gulf in class.

 

[liamctid]

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The usually play a simple 4-4-2 with two wide men and the full backs pushing up with them. The players have pace, they play at pace and they are usually deadly with crosses/low balls into the danger area and players being there to meet them. Typically they will have 6 or 7 players forward for attacks.

This plus they seemed more up for it and fitter.

We seemed like a team playing the Thomas Cook trophy, they seemed like they were playing for the title.

 

[stavros]

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tactics yesterday.
they pressed the ball really well. we didnt.
they squeezed up the pitch and the game was played in our half due to the fact we had no pace up front

 

[abu13]

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One word -Pace

 

[Silva is the new gold]

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I said it yesterday and got called a rag but Mancini is not a good enough manager if we want to be the very best. If mourinho ever indicated that he would become available we shouldn't even think twice about sacking Mancini. Mancini is a good manager but he's certainly not in the select few of elite managers. There was no back up plan. At half time we had a brilliant position despite being appaling but the second half started as the first hald ended, non stop pressure. They wanted it more.

 

[stavros]

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One word -Pace

they could push up and dictate the game and press us, as we were no threat whatsoever on the counter attack.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

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MANUre don't just have a will to win, they have a divine belief that they will win. A two nil reverse at HT will not faze them. You have to fight fire with fire. At two nil up the message should not have been to maintain 'control', which is something we didn't seem to have reading a few of these posts, but to double the advantage and pressurise them even more.

 

[LeKoa]

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Several of the threads this morning are depressingly predictable. Some people on here are naive, ignorant morons. The hypocrisy is suffocating. Mancini was viewed to be walking on water by many people at the end of last season. Then we have one loss on a reasonably large stage, and the knives come out. It is misplaced, childish emotion. If we had been beaten by Chelsea yesterday there would have been at least 50% less vitriol being posted on here.

Yesterday's facts are simple:
1. City, collectively, had a bad day at the office
2. United were DESPERATE to beat us - absolutely desperate
3. We were over-run in midfield - an area where we usually dominate
4. Kompany made a mistake, not help by Clichy, that he will not make again

One loss and suddenly the jury is out on Mancini again. It makes me sick. OF COURSE FERGUSON IS A BETTER MANAGER THAN MANCINI. He is a better manager than pretty much anybody else in world football. Mancini's career in English football is less than two years old.

For those individuals jumping down Mancini's throat I suggest that you have never managed anything in your lives, and just stand around like sheep waiting to be led. And then complain about it if it isn't exactly as you imagined.

For those ready to shoot down Mancini after this one match: call yourself a blue? Shame on you.

 

[Chippy_boy]

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Several of the threads this morning are depressingly predictable. Some people on here are naive, ignorant morons. The hypocrisy is suffocating. Mancini was viewed to be walking on water by many people at the end of last season. Then we have one loss on a reasonably large stage, and the knives come out. It is misplaced, childish emotion. If we had been beaten by Chelsea yesterday there would have been at least 50% less vitriol being posted on here.

Yesterday's facts are simple:
1. City, collectively, had a bad day at the office
2. United were DESPERATE to beat us - absolutely desperate
3. We were over-run in midfield - an area where we usually dominate
4. Kompany made a mistake, not help by Clichy, that he will not make again

One loss and suddenly the jury is out on Mancini again. It makes me sick. OF COURSE FERGUSON IS A BETTER MANAGER THAN MANCINI. He is a better manager than pretty much anybody else in world football. Mancini's career in English football is less than two years old.

For those individuals jumping down Mancini's throat I suggest that you have never managed anything in your lives, and just stand around like sheep waiting to be led. And then complain about it if it isn't exactly as you imagined.

For those ready to shoot down Mancini after this one match: call yourself a blue? Shame on you.

I don't think with 10 posts you should be coming on here slagging people off mate. Try doing that in local boozer and you're likely to get a slap.

 

[the blue panther]

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The problem was, at 2-0, we had no control. We were so lucky to be 2-0 up - it was a travesty really.
The big disappointment was that, with our strong defensive record, we lost from that comfortable position and conceded bad goals - as they had done in the first half.
I think we have to take a big positive from that game - we were crap on the day, and they only beat us in the end due to a very, very rare mistake from Vinny in the 4th minute of Fergietime. They were at full strength yesterday apart from Giggs; we weren't. They were also at full throttle almost the whole time; we definitely weren't. And it was a pre season game, so I think I can happily accept nonsensical talk about having had a 'football lesson.' What was of more concern was the 'attitude' lesson.
The best team won in a gloryfied friendly. If you picked a 'best 11' from the players on the pitch yesterday, hand on heart, how many 'city' would be in it?
UTD fans will say none; a lot of neutrals would probably agree with them; I'd make excuses to squeeze 2 or 3 in, but it would be a struggle to justify I'm afraid. Talksport had put up a best M/c 11 the day before and I believe we had 7 in it; that would definitely have been reversed yesterday.
Hopefully, someone like Kidd will get hold of the feckers next time we have Utd in a friendly and will tell them we it's a derby; we don't do friendlies; the fans want you to win;do it, because 25,000 have come down expecting you to perform, so get your foot on the gas and don't ease off. I'm pretty sure Fergie said something to that effect to his lot at half time.

 

[Burtonblue]

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Those saying Baconface is better than Mancini have changed their tune a bit since the FA cup semi!!

Ffs this was just one game!

City have far better players individually
Mancini is a very good manager

Truth is some of our players underperformed on the same day as some of their players had a stunner (no idea where Cleverly's performance came from)

Galling as it was yday, I still wouldn't swap places with them!