Manchester City close on Pellegrini (merged)

[lust overlord]

That's where I question you, you lack of understanding.

We can beat any team if they turn up to play against us. If a team comes to us looking for a result then we can 'turn it up' with our play. It's when they come to defend a point and snatch a possible 3 points we struggle.

BTW United won v us at home, we were lucky to draw v Liverpool if not for Skrytel, Chelsea got a draw and had reasons to feel hard done to in FA Cup and Arsenal hold their own v us normally and went to 10 men against us at their place hence we cruised.

Lots of sophistry in that last paragraph.

Please expand.

Liverpool were the better team at their place, we only got a point because Skyrtel did a stupid backpass Tevez latched on to.

Chelsea could've had a penalty (Torres v Vinny) and Sergio sent off (two footed on Luiz).

Arsenal at their place had an early red and we played 10 men for most of the game. Same fixture last season Arteta scored and we lost.

What's there for me to twist and use as ammo?

For a start you say Chelsea could feel hard done by in the cup despite the fact we dominated for 60 mins and could have easily put the game to bed.
Re the united game,we lost....after being the better side second half and could feel hard done by losing to a deflected goal.

The argument you put forth to support your point are the same sort of arguments the "inners" used in the away game at Madrid(bad defending)
The Ajax games (bad defending and refereeing)etc etc.

 

[NipHolmes]

@Nipholmes,

Can I get your thoughts on a couple of stats mate if you wouldn't mind.

You say Mancini is a defensive manager yet we scored 93 goals last season, the third highest tally ever in the PL.

We have created more chances this season than last according to Opta.

We play the majority of our games in the opposition's third of the pitch.

Not very defensive is it?

As for chances created, it's about quality of chances! Normally when we have 'play' we have a box full of opposition players and we look for an intricate defence splitting pass for Sergio to latch on to.

Having possession in another teams half is a good thing but not when their team is camped out there limiting us to long strikes. When this happens it is best to then sit deeper yourself and then stretch play with counters, by doing so more space is opened up and we will then have abetter chance to score because we won't be facing as many defenders.

-- Tue May 07, 2013 3:59 pm --

Why did Chelsea have reasons to feel hard done by in the FA cup,we smashed them to bits for 3/4 of the game and should've been 5-6 up .

A game finishes after 90 mins + stoppage. They had it 2-1 and should've had a penalty in all honesty. That may have made it 2-2, game on at this point.

How do we counter attack sides that don't come out because they're happy with a point?

We emulate the cunts across the road. Sit deep, lure into a false sense of security and confidence and hit them on the break with quick counters and score. United have made a trade on it for years.

 

[bernabias home shirt]

That's where I question you, you lack of understanding.

We can beat any team if they turn up to play against us. If a team comes to us looking for a result then we can 'turn it up' with our play. It's when they come to defend a point and snatch a possible 3 points we struggle.

BTW United won v us at home, we were lucky to draw v Liverpool if not for Skrytel, Chelsea got a draw and had reasons to feel hard done to in FA Cup and Arsenal hold their own v us normally and went to 10 men against us at their place hence we cruised.

We have been beaten 9 or 10 times out of the last 80 + league matches
Thats far from teams working us out
You lay all the blame at mancini's door
Fair enough he should shoulder a bulk of it,bad summer transfers,injuries and woefull finishing from our strikers doesnt help the situation.

Draws were what cost us. I'd sooner win 3 and lose 2 rather than draw 5, you get 4 more pints for doing so too.

I fail to accept that all of our strikers lose form for the whole season. You don't have 4(now 3) strikers all out of form at the same time, it doesn't happen unless there's a problem. Of course Mancini wars with one of them and doesn't think much of another one of them hence, then Aguero injured and then his 'son' shows his worth at another club. It's too coincidental.

Poor finishing has cost us this title more than anything
The chances we have missed all through the season has been fucking dreadfull.

 

[Rolee]

As for chances created, it's about quality of chances! Normally when we have 'play' we have a box full of opposition players and we look for an intricate defence splitting pass for Sergio to latch on to.

Having possession in another teams half is a good thing but not when their team is camped out there limiting us to long strikes. When this happens it is best to then sit deeper yourself and then stretch play with counters, by doing so more space is opened up and we will then have abetter chance to score because we won't be facing as many defenders.

-- Tue May 07, 2013 3:59 pm --



A game finishes after 90 mins + stoppage. They had it 2-1 and should've had a penalty in all honesty. That may have made it 2-2, game on at this point.

How do we counter attack sides that don't come out because they're happy with a point?

We emulate the ***** across the road. Sit deep, lure into a false sense of security and confidence and hit them on the break with quick counters and score. United have made a trade on it for years.

I'd rather we didn't tbh. I'd like us to replicate what we had at the beginning of last season. I believe we are capable if the hunger is there.

 

[blueparrot]

As for chances created, it's about quality of chances! Normally when we have 'play' we have a box full of opposition players and we look for an intricate defence splitting pass for Sergio to latch on to.

Having possession in another teams half is a good thing but not when their team is camped out there limiting us to long strikes. When this happens it is best to then sit deeper yourself and then stretch play with counters, by doing so more space is opened up and we will then have abetter chance to score because we won't be facing as many defenders.

-- Tue May 07, 2013 3:59 pm --



A game finishes after 90 mins + stoppage. They had it 2-1 and should've had a penalty in all honesty. That may have made it 2-2, game on at this point.

How do we counter attack sides that don't come out because they're happy with a point?

We emulate the ***** across the road. Sit deep, lure into a false sense of security and confidence and hit them on the break with quick counters and score. United have made a trade on it for years.

And how many more trophies, and how much better in Europe has that got them in the last 2 years.

 

[PragueBlue]

As for chances created, it's about quality of chances! Normally when we have 'play' we have a box full of opposition players and we look for an intricate defence splitting pass for Sergio to latch on to.

Having possession in another teams half is a good thing but not when their team is camped out there limiting us to long strikes. When this happens it is best to then sit deeper yourself and then stretch play with counters, by doing so more space is opened up and we will then have abetter chance to score because we won't be facing as many defenders.

-- Tue May 07, 2013 3:59 pm --



A game finishes after 90 mins + stoppage. They had it 2-1 and should've had a penalty in all honesty. That may have made it 2-2, game on at this point.

How do we counter attack sides that don't come out because they're happy with a point?

We emulate the ***** across the road. Sit deep, lure into a false sense of security and confidence and hit them on the break with quick counters and score. United have made a trade on it for years.

Now if only 20 teams did that it would make for a fun league.

 

[inchy14]

@Nipholmes,

Can I get your thoughts on a couple of stats mate if you wouldn't mind.

You say Mancini is a defensive manager yet we scored 93 goals last season, the third highest tally ever in the PL.

We have created more chances this season than last according to Opta.

We play the majority of our games in the opposition's third of the pitch.

Not very defensive is it?

As for chances created, it's about quality of chances! Normally when we have 'play' we have a box full of opposition players and we look for an intricate defence splitting pass for Sergio to latch on to.

Having possession in another teams half is a good thing but not when their team is camped out there limiting us to long strikes. When this happens it is best to then sit deeper yourself and then stretch play with counters, by doing so more space is opened up and we will then have abetter chance to score because we won't be facing as many defenders.
-- Tue May 07, 2013 3:59 pm --

That's where I question you, you lack of understanding.

We can beat any team if they turn up to play against us. If a team comes to us looking for a result then we can 'turn it up' with our play. It's when they come to defend a point and snatch a possible 3 points we struggle.

BTW United won v us at home, we were lucky to draw v Liverpool if not for Skrytel, Chelsea got a draw and had reasons to feel hard done to in FA Cup and Arsenal hold their own v us normally and went to 10 men against us at their place hence we cruised.

Why did Chelsea have reasons to feel hard done by in the FA cup,we smashed them to bits for 3/4 of the game and should've been 5-6 up .

A game finishes after 90 mins + stoppage. They had it 2-1 and should've had a penalty in all honesty. That may have made it 2-2, game on at this point.

How the fuck do you attack on the counter when you've got the ball?

You need the opposition to be attacking and lose possession to break away and counter attack.

And we're creating more of the same chances we did last season just not converting them has been the difference.

 

[Neil_K]

If Mancini is to be replaced in the summer then it has to be for somebody at the very pinnacle of their career, somebody who could walk in and demand instant respect with the players and the press who have spent most of Bobby's reign mocking him for one reason or another - for me there aren't many available who can do this. Klopp has made no real noises about leaving Dortmund, Pep has already gone elsewhere and Heynckes is too old to be considered anything but a stop gap.Only Mourinho has that aura who's looking for a new job, and as everything we see and read leads him to anywhere but here it seems daft to rock the boat and bring in somebody who, whilst obviously being a very good manager in his own right doesn't come close to the man who we already have in charge.

Mancini has done enough to keep his job for the next year. A second place finish and FA Cup win will only cement that.

A good assessment and very similar to how I feel about the situation. All but one of the blues I know, including those who sit near me at the match, feel the same way.

The lad who sits in front of me wants a change. He's a good lad and I respect his opinion, we disagree, but that's football.

 

[Andouble]

Why swap our PROVEN winner of a manager for one who isn't? Askin'.

Like many foreign owners it seems like ours is quite interested in European competitions. And, if anything, Mancini is a proven failure in Europe, with us and Inter.

 

[inchy14]

As for chances created, it's about quality of chances! Normally when we have 'play' we have a box full of opposition players and we look for an intricate defence splitting pass for Sergio to latch on to.

Having possession in another teams half is a good thing but not when their team is camped out there limiting us to long strikes. When this happens it is best to then sit deeper yourself and then stretch play with counters, by doing so more space is opened up and we will then have abetter chance to score because we won't be facing as many defenders.

-- Tue May 07, 2013 3:59 pm --



A game finishes after 90 mins + stoppage. They had it 2-1 and should've had a penalty in all honesty. That may have made it 2-2, game on at this point.

How do we counter attack sides that don't come out because they're happy with a point?

We emulate the ***** across the road. Sit deep, lure into a false sense of security and confidence and hit them on the break with quick counters and score. United have made a trade on it for years.

You're wumming now aren't you?

Sit deep with the ball to teams who are happy to get a point, yes that'll work won't it, they'll pack 9 around the box and have a front man chase around for 60 minutes then sub him for someone to do the same.
End result is us launching hopefull balls into the front players.

Thought you said you coached??

What you do is what we've done successfully last season and at times this, which is pass and probe around their box waiting for an opening, and when it comes take it which this season we haven't done nearly as often.

If you think they're the bench mark of football you're mistaken, it's percentage football and it's like watching Stoke, West ham or Bolton just with better players.