Manchester City close on Pellegrini (merged)

[Prestwich_Blue]

If Mancini is to be replaced in the summer then it has to be for somebody at the very pinnacle of their career, somebody who could walk in and demand instant respect with the players and the press who have spent most of Bobby's reign mocking him for one reason or another - for me there aren't many available who can do this. Klopp has made no real noises about leaving Dortmund, Pep has already gone elsewhere and Heynckes is too old to be considered anything but a stop gap.Only Mourinho has that aura who's looking for a new job, and as everything we see and read leads him to anywhere but here it seems daft to rock the boat and bring in somebody who, whilst obviously being a very good manager in his own right doesn't come close to the man who we already have in charge.
Mancini has done enough to keep his job for the next year. A second place finish and FA Cup win will only cement that.

You can't disagree with that but there's one huge assumption in there which, if incorrect, renders it logically perfect but essentially meaningless.

 

[NipHolmes]

How do we counter attack sides that don't come out because they're happy with a point?

We emulate the ***** across the road. Sit deep, lure into a false sense of security and confidence and hit them on the break with quick counters and score. United have made a trade on it for years.

And how many more trophies, and how much better in Europe has that got them in the last 2 years.

And before that?

Too many to respond to at the moment and I'm packing up at work in minute so will carry on tomorrow.

In short when we are teams camping out a change of tactics should be deployed. Counter attacks win games, see Napoli v us last season for example.

The way we play is great don't get me wrong but when teams have no ambition and look to survive its a drab affair trying to score. Reading, QPR, Sunderland, Everton etc. United have shown a blueprint on how to beat these teams and that's stretching play and beating on the break.

If teams came to play there'd not be a problem, thing is the league has many ambition-less teams who look to survive each season. To consistently win leagues we have to prepare for such teams and circumstances. We currently don't have the players to do so hence why many call for quick wide men.

Just my take, not saying I'm bang on the money. Football = opinions. As I said, its something we need to solve because its something we will continue to be troubled by otherwise.

 

[hallstreetblue]

Backward step imo he's won & done nothing major. We'd be slated if we sacked Mancini after what he's won & done for us. Stupid move which I can't see going through.

go back 40 odd years when we sacked joe mercer after a very successful spell, we are about to make the same horrendous error.

It was because Big Mal wanted some credit for all the work that he'd put in. He was a fantastic coach and wanted a crack at the managers job. Swales gave it him and cruelly got rid of Joe the father figure. Both were respected at the club, but Big Mal was the magician of the two. In the end, it showed that they couldn't do without each other. Mal had big time ideas at City, but they didn't come off. Joe went on to be part time England boss after Ramsey and was quite successful, but didn't get offered the full time post. Would have been a cracker. R.I.P two absolute legends. Mancini not a patch on any of them.

 

[Skashion]

I think this thread is the ultimate expression of grass is greener syndrome.

 

[Phil1]

If Mancini is to be replaced in the summer then it has to be for somebody at the very pinnacle of their career, somebody who could walk in and demand instant respect with the players and the press who have spent most of Bobby's reign mocking him for one reason or another - for me there aren't many available who can do this. Klopp has made no real noises about leaving Dortmund, Pep has already gone elsewhere and Heynckes is too old to be considered anything but a stop gap.Only Mourinho has that aura who's looking for a new job, and as everything we see and read leads him to anywhere but here it seems daft to rock the boat and bring in somebody who, whilst obviously being a very good manager in his own right doesn't come close to the man who we already have in charge.
Mancini has done enough to keep his job for the next year. A second place finish and FA Cup win will only cement that.

You can't disagree with that but there's one huge assumption in there which, if incorrect, renders it logically perfect but essentially meaningless.

I count about 3 assumptions but i'll happily go along with the first 5 words of your post. ;-)

 

[Danny Hoekman]

Why swap our PROVEN winner of a manager for one who isn't? Askin'.

Like many foreign owners it seems like ours is quite interested in European competitions. And, if anything, Mancini is a proven failure in Europe, with us and Inter.

One Intertoto Cup isn't it?

 

[NipHolmes]

How do we counter attack sides that don't come out because they're happy with a point?

We emulate the ***** across the road. Sit deep, lure into a false sense of security and confidence and hit them on the break with quick counters and score. United have made a trade on it for years.

You're wumming now aren't you?

Sit deep with the ball to teams who are happy to get a point, yes that'll work won't it, they'll pack 9 around the box and have a front man chase around for 60 minutes then sub him for someone to do the same.
End result is us launching hopefull balls into the front players.

Thought you said you coached??

What you do is what we've done successfully last season and at times this, which is pass and probe around their box waiting for an opening, and when it comes take it which this season we haven't done nearly as often.

If you think they're the bench mark of football you're mistaken, it's percentage football and it's like watching Stoke, West ham or Bolton just with better players.

Possession football is the way forward I agree but sometimes when its not working you have to resort to alternative systems.

Sometimes its a fast ball in from wide into the box.
Sometimes its a route 1 long ball which is headed in, volleyed or fumbled.
Sometimes its counters.

Our away form and draws have stacked to the point where our single strategy is starting to fail.

 

[fbloke]

I think this thread is the ultimate expression of grass is greener syndrome.

And you know how you make grass greener of course ;-)

 

[Skashion]

One Intertoto Cup isn't it?

Ridiculous to include even that. The Intertoto Cup is a summer tournament. Summer trophies are not real trophies. Any of them. There were also three winners, in the year Pellegrini 'won' it. That's the way the tournament worked then. There were three winners. A trophy with three winners...<br /><br />-- Tue May 07, 2013 4:28 pm --<br /><br />

I think this thread is the ultimate expression of grass is greener syndrome.

And you know how you make grass greener of course ;-)

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[nijinsky's fetlocks]

Why swap our PROVEN winner of a manager for one who isn't? Askin'.

Like many foreign owners it seems like ours is quite interested in European competitions. And, if anything, Mancini is a proven failure in Europe, with us and Inter.

Whereas Pellegrini has a glowing CV.
You have utterly avoided addressing Danny's post by stating the bleeding obvious.
So how is Pellegrini an upgrade on Mancini, exactly?