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Manchester City - tactical discussion
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Over the years I have learned that having the right attitude and work ethic/rate is THE most important thing in football, IE you can achieve an awful lot with 4-4-2 of hard working (Good enough) players who play for each other and the emblem on their shirt. You can play whatever tactics you want against that team, it wont win in its own right.
this is one of the reasons you see last year everyone was quick to call us naive yet yesterday juve played 442 and beat us goes to show tactics is more than just numbers or formations.
trotsky
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I am not Navas's biggest fan, but he has played a vital role in or early season's success. His tracking back to help out the defence is well noticed, but it is how wide he plays that really makes the difference. When we have the ball he hugs the touchline and draws a player out wide with him. When Kolorov bombs on that draws at least another player. This leaves much more room for Our David to perform. When he does perform he can occupy two or even three of the opposition - leaving even more space for others. You get the picture, the extra 5 yard width of the pitch is vital. Although Navas's final ball or shot are not always great, he is good enough (and quick enough) that the opposition can not afford to leave him unmarked.
Now if Navas is not the answer then we have to tell whoever plays in that role that the primary objectives are to drag players wide when we have the ball and to be the widest defender when we haven't.
Last night we were too narrow and slow - I believe Navas would have sorted that , or even instructions to De Bruyne might have sorted it. Nasri has many great attributes, but wing play and speed are not his game.
Now if Navas is not the answer then we have to tell whoever plays in that role that the primary objectives are to drag players wide when we have the ball and to be the widest defender when we haven't.
Last night we were too narrow and slow - I believe Navas would have sorted that , or even instructions to De Bruyne might have sorted it. Nasri has many great attributes, but wing play and speed are not his game.
Sunnysideupp
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This!Our manager is tactically naieve.
He messes about with his team selections for no apparent reason. In the Premier League we have been blistering with a front 4 of:
Aguero
Sterling Silva Navas
So why oh why does he change it totally. Ok Aguero is injured which only leaves Bony to take Kuns place.
But no he then totally changes the formation, Silva out to the right wing, and Nasri brought in. This meant we lost the excellent work rate of Navas protecting his full back. Pogba wouldn't have had the time to sling his cross in if Navas had been on the pitch.
Unfortunately I always feel with our manager that whatever we achieve this season will be inspite of him being the manager and not because of him being the manager.
We will see what "tinkering" he does for Saturdays game. The old saying is never change a winning team, well unfortunately he had to change Kun as he was injured but why start with Nasri is beyond me.
Unfortunately he never learns from his mistakes, we'll probably set up 4-4-2 on Saturday when this great sequence of winning games has been achieved by playing 4-5-1. Sighs!!!
This!
he says "we always try to play the same" way yet when a decent opponent is put forth he changes things up how confusing.
Thaksinssoldier
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I've been banging the anti-yaya in europe drum all day, but I honestly reckon if you play Delph in yaya's role(or someone with Delph's workrate) and then either play Yaya or Nasri in the position Nasri was in last night, we become unstoppable against teams that eliminate the wide play. That position has to be flexible and interchange with a wide player in KDB or Navas for when we want to pick apart a left back.
Our manager is tactically naieve.
He messes about with his team selections for no apparent reason. In the Premier League we have been blistering with a front 4 of:
Aguero
Sterling Silva Navas
So why oh why does he change it totally. Ok Aguero is injured which only leaves Bony to take Kuns place.
But no he then totally changes the formation, Silva out to the right wing, and Nasri brought in. This meant we lost the excellent work rate of Navas protecting his full back. Pogba wouldn't have had the time to sling his cross in if Navas had been on the pitch.
Unfortunately I always feel with our manager that whatever we achieve this season will be inspite of him being the manager and not because of him being the manager.
We will see what "tinkering" he does for Saturdays game. The old saying is never change a winning team, well unfortunately he had to change Kun as he was injured but why start with Nasri is beyond me.
Unfortunately he never learns from his mistakes, we'll probably set up 4-4-2 on Saturday when this great sequence of winning games has been achieved by playing 4-5-1. Sighs!!!
I think he put Nasri in because he wanted him moving into the middle to support Bony's hold up play, Bony has to have players running off him and not sitting out wide. If we play too wide it means Bony is isolated against two big centre backs and not to mention Pogba and the like. We get away with it in the league because most teams don't play effectively 4/5/6 centre backs when we are attacking them, they certainly also just cannot cope with the movement of Silva and Aguero. Because we are playing another class of defense you need to support Bony with Nasri in there or they can quite simply man mark Silva and Bony out of the game which they did anyway really but only because their concentration level was outstanding. Most of our chances came when that concentration dropped and we caught them on the break.
Silva had a poor game last night and it was because we just weren't given a single jot of space in the final third leaving the only obvious option to many being out wide but we weren't ever going to stretch the game as they had every man behind the ball. The key was hitting them on the break which is where all of our chances came from - I think putting Navas in instead would of given us a lot more energy on the break but I don't think it really would of crucially changed the game. This was a team that comfortably defended against Real Madrid in last years semi final and probably should of done the same against Barcelona in the final but we all know how good they are, they won the competition after all!
The only thing that could of changed for the better last night was the finishing and that was the crucial difference between winning and losing.
Crossan da Ball
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You are right, and so is the guy who questioned the substitutions. If the chances had gone in we wouldn''t be having the discussion, but that has damn all to do with whether or not you are right.Our manager is tactically naieve.
He messes about with his team selections for no apparent reason. In the Premier League we have been blistering with a front 4 of:
Aguero
Sterling Silva Navas
So why oh why does he change it totally. Ok Aguero is injured which only leaves Bony to take Kuns place.
But no he then totally changes the formation, Silva out to the right wing, and Nasri brought in. This meant we lost the excellent work rate of Navas protecting his full back. Pogba wouldn't have had the time to sling his cross in if Navas had been on the pitch.
Unfortunately I always feel with our manager that whatever we achieve this season will be inspite of him being the manager and not because of him being the manager.
We will see what "tinkering" he does for Saturdays game. The old saying is never change a winning team, well unfortunately he had to change Kun as he was injured but why start with Nasri is beyond me.
Unfortunately he never learns from his mistakes, we'll probably set up 4-4-2 on Saturday when this great sequence of winning games has been achieved by playing 4-5-1. Sighs!!!
You are right, and so is the guy who talks about substitutions. If we had taken the chances it might have deterred you from posting, but it sure as hell wouldn't have made you wrong. Common sense doesn't cease to be common sense when you score a goal. Taking Navas and Aguero out was too big a change and we looked like a completely different (and much worse) team as a result. It was hard to believe we were watching the same players, and goals would not have changed that feeling. Sterling and Navas have the pace to support the full backs, and Nasri doesn't, goals or no goals. Nasri isn't happy on the right, goals or no goals.
I've been banging the anti-yaya in europe drum all day, but I honestly reckon if you play Delph in yaya's role(or someone with Delph's workrate) and then either play Yaya or Nasri in the position Nasri was in last night, we become unstoppable against teams that eliminate the wide play. That position has to be flexible and interchange with a wide player in KDB or Navas for when we want to pick apart a left back.
Exactly this. I'm the same mate, Yaya should not play in Europe or be pushed higher up the pitch. He's not a strong defensive player or workhorse and with only two central midfield we get opened up time and time again in Europe. Seems pellers doesn't have the balls to drop him though.
think we need an old fashioned winger on the right to complement our right footed players on the left which navas is except that he dosent do what wingers do that is beat a man and get into scoring position or set up his scoring partner. a right footed douglas costa would be perfect. not sure where we can find one. may be raheem or KDB can be converted into one.