Manchester City - tactical discussion

The tactical approach to the Juve game was good. The only way to play against teams which press relentlessly is with clever off the ball movement and accurate passing and it just didn't quite come off for us on the day; though we are capable of it. In spite of the pressing we created chances which were not taken and Juve were very lucky (or were they just clinical?) that their finishes were accurate.
 
The tactics weren't the problem on Tuesday night, poor finishing was, plus some brilliant goalkeeping from Buffon.
 
So do I - but from the start of the game not with a few minutes left

Yeah that's what I meant. I don't think it's any good doing it at the end of a game especially when your chasing it.

It's like when Bony last season kept getting brought on for last 10 mins when we were chasing a game it doesn't do the player any good if they don't score within the few mins they are on, it just adds pressure.

Obviously I know he doesn't want to throw De Bruyne in straight away I can understand that. I'm just loosing my patience and wanna see it happen :)
 
I've long been an advocate of 4-2-3-1 with 2 pacey wide wingers & your most creative player in behind the striker when you're at home or playing a team you expect to be dominant against (most matches for City).
For tough away matches, or European football, I've always been a fan of having 3 big guys in midfield to solidify the defence & dominate the midfield.

So for City specifically, last season when we made the switch to 4-2-3-1 I was delighted, I still felt we were missing a pacey winger, which we've now rectified with Sterling. This also meant Fernandinho got more protection from Yaya as Silva was ahead of him (finally central) stopping him getting too far forward, & Sergio got to play up top on his own where he performs better. After the first few games it was clear out of the front 4 Navas was just not quite good enough at the top level - for me Pedro was the perfect replacement, like-for-like but more end product - but we've got KDB now. The worry with KDB is that he ends up having the same results as the Silva-Nasri combo but we will see.

So for Europe, last season when we bought Fernando I thought we were finally going to see it, Fernando deep in front of defence with Dinho & Yaya ahead, a strong midfield with protection to the defence - yet we played 4-4-2. I still feel we should try this combo out in Europe & away at title rivals, if we need goals we can bring on game changers but there's nothing wrong with starting the game off more sensibly & Yaya would have more freedom to get up & cause damage. Not convinced we'll ever really see this under Pellegrini but just my opinions.

Why I don't think we can play 4-4-2: well, simply everyone ends up out of position. Silva starts up out wide, then comes central, which means there's no width, which leads to a striker going out wide. Yaya has so much space ahead, he just jogs into it & has never been one to get back, meaning Nando/Dinho have to do the job of 2-3 people & every team we play with 1 pass gets through our entire midfield. On top of that the Dzeko/Aguero partnership was a poor one, how often did they combine to score? Negredo formed a great partnership with Aguero, & Bony probably could do similar - but again not worth forcing all other players out of their natural position.

Specific things I don't think we can do:
• Nasri/Silva combo, too slow, too narrow & too easy to defend against. One or the other should be on the pitch (sorry Nasri).
• Nasri/Silva/KDB combo, was very surprised Pellegrini tried this out against Juve, who exactly were these great passers supposed to be passing to? None of them make runs behind. Simply do not need 3 AM's on the pitch together it's horrible.

KDB has played RW a fair chunk of his career so the hope is he plays the position more like a winger & less like Nasri - time will tell whether this works for us or not. Hopefully see the Sterling-Silva-KDB combo against West Ham so we see what happens.
 
If two goals would have led anyone to applaud THAT performance as one of tactical acumen and engineering we will have to agree to differ.
Two goals would have stifled the debate, not made bad tactics good. The finishing was the difference in the scoreline, but the question is would different tactics have given us better chances? I think they would. If we had our time over again, would we play the same eleven?

Me, too. But unless the chances are converted then we are still at base camp with the same argument. The 'tactical' debate shrinks away once the game is won. Tactics only become an issue when we don't claim the victory. Had we finished the game 2-1, or 2-0 or something to nil, few would be raising the issue of tactics. We can have the shittiest of performances and still advance - tactics all up the shoot, subs way off beam, but a lucky toe, a benevolent referee and all is well.
 
Hang on, you want to go at them with pace out wide but you want us to be more cautious?

You can sit back on a team and be disciplined in Europe but have some legs up top that are going to cause problems on the break.

How do you beat the likes of barca, Real Madrid and Bayern Munich? We certainly can't out football them. We fall into that trap every year and get a severe bruising. Play the extra midfield spoiler infront of the back four and hope Silva and Aguero can create and opportunity and take it.
 
Think you have to have that extra man in midfield like Delph or Fernando to make us more solid.
I'm not sure we needed it from the start but I thought once we took the lead we should have brought on Fernando or Demichelis instead of Nasri to strengthen the middle defensively. We're too open at times and we're not (yet) a Barca-like team that can steamroller most opponents in Europe with out and out attacking football, if we want to succeed in the CL we need to show some pragmatism and start grinding out the odd 1-0 win. Instead we are yet again playing catch-up in the group stage, five attempts now and we still haven't won the first home game in the group stage. It's ridiculous really.
 

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