Manchester City vs Liverpool pre-match thread

[Ninja Skrtel]

Re: Liverpool Thread 2013/14 (continued)

He's either not too bright, or just doesn't read.

The post said City opinions are formed more on results and success over the last three years.

He not moving the goalposts, he's nicking them....

Then again, why change the habit of a lifetime.

WOW. How original! Again you turn to insults because you have no argument.

I came here to engage you in a battle of wits, unfortunately, i see you have turned up unarmed.

From you that's rich, mr "look! an irrelevant stat that agrees with my opinion! aha! I am right!"
Don't fall out of any Serbian trees now Ninja Boy.

You are really just digging yourself a deeper hole mate...may i ask why you keep reffering to my nationality and how many Englishmen are in city's starting line up?

Each and every post of yours just highlights my superior football knowledge in comparison to yourself, so please, do carry on.

 

[Matty]

Let's dig into those stats shall we?

Sakho has far superior pass stats
Sakho has far superior stats for the number of defensive actions
Sakho has a far better % of winning duels
Sakho has played far less games...
That giddy or facts? Fact's lad...as for getting giddy - your tail off coincided with Agueros injury "ONE MAN TEAM" that's getting giddy....

As for utilising the least amount of players yet paying the largest amount of wages - well that's just bad planning isn't it?

You've just made yourself look even sillier. You do realise the more games you play the higher the chance those stats have of decreasing?

That's not correct.

If you do something 90% of the time one game and then 90% of the time the next game it's still 90% average.

Stats don't erode over time, unless you're implying that everything starts brilliantly and inevitably routinely gets worse.

A smaller sample set is more prone to give you a false result, either positively or negatively. One poor performance is magnified by the lack of opportunities to have good performances, equally one excellent performance skews the stats in the other direction as it isn't "evened out" by more typical performances. Basically the smaller the sample set the more influential outliers will be to the overall position.

In your example you may do something 90% of the time in one game, but whose to say that 90% wasn't you having a blinder? Or conversely, maybe you're actually a 97% guy and you were having, for you, an off day? If you do something 90% of the time over a 15 game period, it's a decent measure, however 90% of the time over a 30 game period is a better measure as it will have diluted the outliers to such a degree as to be a more true approximation of the real average position.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

In all honesty, i think a draw would be the most realistic outcome as it would reflect the quality of the teams in fairness. As i said, you have bigger names and we have more of a team.

I reffered to the game at the Etihad because we had a goal disallowed for offside when it clearly wasn't and to be honest, i feel both teams had an equal amount of chances.

You have a great manager in Pelegrini, much better than Mancini and are playing some outstanding footie but he is still adapting to the PL.

You can bet your house Anfield will be like nothing you have ever seen before on Sunday and i whilst it will get youngsters like Flanagan and Sterling and Hendo up for the occasion, it could see Negredo, Dzeko, Jovetic, Silva and Garcia just being a bit more cautious.

Whoever thinks Luis Suarez doesn't perform against the big teams is sorely mistaken. Remember what he did when Kuyt scored his hatrick against united? Suarez has a much bigger contribution than just scoring goals...i believe he is also leading the assists table.

A lot will depend on whether Aguero is back for you guys, you look a much stronger team with him. Kompany is skating on thin ice lately and with the crowd at full blast i wouldn't put it past Clattenburg to award a penalty or show red.

Yep all International players, some of which have captained their country, some of which have won world cups/Euro's are going to be very cautious of your carnival atmosphere on Sunday.

Give it a rest.

Plus three of our probable starters on Sunday played in Argentina, where the noise at matches will make Anfield on Sunday look like Prenton Park for an end of season dead rubber.

'Like nothing you've ever seen'. PMSL.

 

[theres only one carlito]

So let me get this straight statoes. We have a 66.6 percent chance of a positive result on Sunday. Dipper pool have a 33.3 percent chance of a positive result. Hense we have twice the likelihood of satisfaction come Sunday evening.

 

[aguero93:20]

Re: Liverpool Thread 2013/14 (continued)

WOW. How original! Again you turn to insults because you have no argument.

I came here to engage you in a battle of wits, unfortunately, i see you have turned up unarmed.

From you that's rich, mr "look! an irrelevant stat that agrees with my opinion! aha! I am right!"
Don't fall out of any Serbian trees now Ninja Boy.

You are really just digging yourself a deeper hole mate...may i ask why you keep reffering to my nationality and how many Englishmen are in city's starting line up?

Each and every post of yours just highlights my superior football knowledge in comparison to yourself, so please, do carry on.

Why does how many Englishmen in city's line up matter in the course of the game or the title race?
As for nationality, I never referenced it, I did reference your location due to your post about anfield's atmosphere. It's very hard to hear someone in Serbia when you're standing on Merseyside.
As for the post highlighted in bold, whatever makes you feel better about yourself mate.
Enjoy your brief stay.<br /><br />-- Tue Apr 08, 2014 1:39 pm --<br /><br />

In all honesty, i think a draw would be the most realistic outcome as it would reflect the quality of the teams in fairness. As i said, you have bigger names and we have more of a team.

I reffered to the game at the Etihad because we had a goal disallowed for offside when it clearly wasn't and to be honest, i feel both teams had an equal amount of chances.

You have a great manager in Pelegrini, much better than Mancini and are playing some outstanding footie but he is still adapting to the PL.

You can bet your house Anfield will be like nothing you have ever seen before on Sunday and i whilst it will get youngsters like Flanagan and Sterling and Hendo up for the occasion, it could see Negredo, Dzeko, Jovetic, Silva and Garcia just being a bit more cautious.

Whoever thinks Luis Suarez doesn't perform against the big teams is sorely mistaken. Remember what he did when Kuyt scored his hatrick against united? Suarez has a much bigger contribution than just scoring goals...i believe he is also leading the assists table.

A lot will depend on whether Aguero is back for you guys, you look a much stronger team with him. Kompany is skating on thin ice lately and with the crowd at full blast i wouldn't put it past Clattenburg to award a penalty or show red.

Yep all International players, some of which have captained their country, some of which have won world cups/Euro's are going to be very cautious of your carnival atmosphere on Sunday.

Give it a rest.

Plus three of our probable starters on Sunday played in Argentina, where the noise at matches will make Anfield on Sunday look like Prenton Park for an end of season dead rubber.

'Like nothing you've ever seen'. PMSL.

Never mind the lads we had playing to the noise of Vuvuzelas in 2010, Kolarov's experience of running up against the Roma ultras in their home derby when he scored two goals, Yaya playing in Greece and in the Bernabeu for the away side in Classicos, Fernandinho playing in Eastern Europe. nope, we'll shit ourselves.

 

[Matty]

So let me get this straight statoes. We have a 66.6 percent chance of a positive result on Sunday. Dipper pool have a 33.3 percent chance of a positive result. Hense we have twice the likelihood of satisfaction come Sunday evening.

That's some flawed maths right there.

The assumption with that is that the odds of a home win, an away win, an a draw occurring are exactly the same. This isn't the same as tossing a 3 sided object and seeing which side lands upwards! There isn't a 1/3 chance of each result occurring, you need to factor in a whole host of variables including squad strength, form, tactics and other things I simply can't be bothered to mention! If it was this simple then the odds at the bookies would be the same for a home win, an away win an a draw. Clearly they aren't!

 

[NQCitizen]

You've just made yourself look even sillier. You do realise the more games you play the higher the chance those stats have of decreasing?

That's not correct.

If you do something 90% of the time one game and then 90% of the time the next game it's still 90% average.

Stats don't erode over time, unless you're implying that everything starts brilliantly and inevitably routinely gets worse.

A smaller sample set is more prone to give you a false result, either positively or negatively. One poor performance is magnified by the lack of opportunities to have good performances, equally one excellent performance skews the stats in the other direction as it isn't "evened out" by more typical performances. Basically the smaller the sample set the more influential outliers will be to the overall position.

In your example you may do something 90% of the time in one game, but whose to say that 90% wasn't you having a blinder? Or conversely, maybe you're actually a 97% guy and you were having, for you, an off day? If you do something 90% of the time over a 15 game period, it's a decent measure, however 90% of the time over a 30 game period is a better measure as it will have diluted the outliers to such a degree as to be a more true approximation of the real average position.

Oh I agree with that. But I think the assertion the better player is the one on 90% on the 40th game not 97% on the 15th is not always true.

That guy could go on to be a 99% on 40 guy (I do appreciate that's unlikely though).

That's a really good explanation though it should be a sticky for all the butchered stats on this board ; )

 

[NQCitizen]

So let me get this straight statoes. We have a 66.6 percent chance of a positive result on Sunday. Dipper pool have a 33.3 percent chance of a positive result. Hense we have twice the likelihood of satisfaction come Sunday evening.

Yeah and try your luck on the lottery too you're 50/50 for that ;)

You either win or you don't

 

[TangerineSteve17]

Fan's volume doesn't matter as much as you think in title challenging games. In the Champions League I can see it having a greater impact. Take Chelsea v Galatasaray for instance, the Turks were deafening. You don't get that in the premier league. City players wont be phased by the Liverpool support.

 

[BlueMoonoverUS]

From you that's rich, mr "look! an irrelevant stat that agrees with my opinion! aha! I am right!"
Don't fall out of any Serbian trees now Ninja Boy.

You are really just digging yourself a deeper hole mate...may i ask why you keep reffering to my nationality and how many Englishmen are in city's starting line up?

Each and every post of yours just highlights my superior football knowledge in comparison to yourself, so please, do carry on.

Why does how many Englishmen in city's line up matter in the course of the game or the title race?
As for nationality, I never referenced it, I did reference your location due to your post about anfield's atmosphere. It's very hard to hear someone in Serbia when you're standing on Merseyside.
As for the post highlighted in bold, whatever makes you feel better about yourself mate.
Enjoy your brief stay.

-- Tue Apr 08, 2014 1:39 pm --

Yep all International players, some of which have captained their country, some of which have won world cups/Euro's are going to be very cautious of your carnival atmosphere on Sunday.

Give it a rest.

Plus three of our probable starters on Sunday played in Argentina, where the noise at matches will make Anfield on Sunday look like Prenton Park for an end of season dead rubber.

'Like nothing you've ever seen'. PMSL.

Never mind the lads we had playing to the noise of Vuvuzelas in 2010, Kolarov's experience of running up against the Roma ultras in their home derby when he scored two goals, Yaya playing in Greece and in the Bernabeu for the away side in Classicos, Fernandinho playing in Eastern Europe. nope, we'll shit ourselves.

All that plus Dzeko who played in Bundesliga. Remember all those Dortmund fans he faced when playing for Wolfsburg and they never lost.