Manchester City Women (merged)

[Centurions]

Re: Manchester City Ladies - Toni Duggan {merged}

I wish them well but women's football won't ever have me stocking my fridge with ale.

You and thousands of others. Because women's football is utter shite - if it were anything other, folk would want to go and watch it. They don't.

If City Ladies win/lose/draw/never play again, it would barely register a murmur.

If people want to play the tired "it's City for fuck's sake" card, then let them. It's City in name only. It isn't football. And us signing Toni Duggan / anyone else from the world of female football "stars" won't change that. Ever.

Calling folk who hold this opinion sexist/ant-City/unfair is all so predictable. Just like women's football.

Do you not look at yourself and wonder why you're such an oddball? LOL

You spat your dummy in this thread because someone said a female player was a top player, in a thread about women''s football.

You're a fecking weirdo, if you don't want to watch it no one's forcing you but being so desperate to come into a thread and slag everything off is truly bizarre behaviour.

It's not bizarre behaviour at all, it's called the internet. Unfortunately there's no way to utilise an intelligence test before you're allowed to post so any old idiot can put their 'opinions' up.<br /><br />-- Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:36 pm --<br /><br />

There was a programme on Radio 4 not so long back, the basic premiss was that the game had been very popular in the early parts of the last century, attracting huge crowds for some games, however the FA at the time conspired to have it stopped because they did not see it as a proper thing for women to do

I was going to comment on the fact that men have been sponsored for 120 years so their standard is bound to be a good few levels higher.
I wasn't aware there had been womens football that far back, in recent memory they've only been serious for 20 years maybe?
With proper sponsorship and facilities I've no doubt the womens game can come on leaps and bounds and I'm glad City have got involved.

 

[Bigga]

Re: Manchester City Ladies - Toni Duggan {merged}

Most male sports had decades of free coverage, but obviously things have changed media-wise. Still, the government should be intervening. Eg Why was there no coverage of the English Ashes win last time round? Even struggle to find anything on Sky.

The BBC did cover the women's darts final which is something, and having male/female tournaments running side-by-side is a good idea.

One problem I see with some ladies team sports is that they just don't work well, and to me football falls into that category. The pitch just looks too big, maybe they need to experiment with new formats to avoid constant comparison with established male versions, 7-a-side perhaps on a smaller pitch and smaller nets. Tennis has a different format in the major tournaments, and it's worked well for years.

I would actually be inclined to agree about shrinking the size of the game, to suit the female ability, at this current stage in development. Whilst the skill factor is there on a decent level, the general stamina it takes to be about the pitch, for 90 mins on a full sized pitch, is different for women.

The playing time shouldn't alter, but the changing the size of the pitch and nets will produce better quality, all round.

For example, we have the biggest pitch in all the FA division(something like 110 x 90/ 93, I think) whilst 100 x 66 yards is Crewe Alexandra's ground, the smallest. I would probably go 5 yards smaller to keep the quality of the women's game, in tact and improve it.

The reason being is it would equalise the gulf between the women that have been playing for years and the ones that have just been given backing. That includes internationals, for me.

Just my opinion on a developing game.

They don't need to alter anything, stamina comes through training, and training comes through funding. All the women's game needs to improve the standard is funding.

Well, that's just not true due to the physiological differences men and women have. Generally, women don't have the testosterone nor the muscle mass to push to the same level as the men for 90 mins.

You will find, one or two, to have similar stamina to a man, but it's rare. So, overall, it's why a women's tennis match can finish in 50 mins, on average. I have seen a fair few games of footy, from start to finish and, on average, the 70 min mark is where the game becomes diminished due to the ground covered.

Less ground to cover will bring the quality up.

Like I said; my opinion.

 

[Sigh]

Re: Manchester City Ladies - Toni Duggan {merged}

There is no way some of these comments are the result of actually watching top-level womens soccer consistently. I suspect no-one here has clue about US womens college, or pro football, or really knows anything about the womens US team. It's like reading Andy Gray reading Andy Gray reading Andy Gray. Womens football is womens football, not defective mens football.

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

Re: Manchester City Ladies - Toni Duggan {merged}

There is no way some of these comments are the result of actually watching top-level womens soccer consistently. I suspect no-one here has clue about US womens college, or pro football, or really knows anything about the womens US team. It's like reading Andy Gray reading Andy Gray reading Andy Gray. Womens football is womens football, not defective mens football.

Nobody is saying it is. We're discussing ways of improving the appeal of the women's team game in the UK, and mainly Manchester. Comparison with the men's game is going to be inevitable, the target audiences being the same, but many view the women's version as less exciting despite there being some excellent footballers out there. I don't think making suggestions such as adjustments to the rules to improve the excitement and competition is misogynistic in any way - it's what other sports have done and been successful. The US women's game developed due to the apathy towards the men's game pre-World Cup 1994.

 

[Bigga]

Re: Manchester City Ladies - Toni Duggan {merged}

There is no way some of these comments are the result of actually watching top-level womens soccer consistently. I suspect no-one here has clue about US womens college, or pro football, or really knows anything about the womens US team. It's like reading Andy Gray reading Andy Gray reading Andy Gray. Womens football is womens football, not defective mens football.

I have followed some US games, but, infrequently. I would say my observations remain the same, except the standard is far better than the rest of the world, at the moment... But that doesn't stop the US National team being beaten by other national teams, such as Brasil.

I have picked the words in my posts carefully regarding this subject, in light of what I have observed, over time.

 

[shadygiz]

Re: Manchester City Ladies - Toni Duggan {merged}

For those who prefer a more posterior view

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still cant believe we've got duggan and jill scott ;)

top players

"Top players" - they're not. Sergio is a "top player". Vinny is a "top player". Zab is a "top player". Duggan. Scott. Top female players maybe. But still LIGHT years from semi-professional male footballers. Light years.

erm, taken in the context of the discussion, which is womens football....why make this into something it is not?

 

[Bigga]

Re: Manchester City Ladies - Toni Duggan {merged}

still cant believe we've got duggan and jill scott ;)

top players

"Top players" - they're not. Sergio is a "top player". Vinny is a "top player". Zab is a "top player". Duggan. Scott. Top female players maybe. But still LIGHT years from semi-professional male footballers. Light years.

erm, taken in the context of the discussion, which is womens football....why make this into something it is not?

Cos he's an idiot, Shady, acting like there's been a suggestion of integrating the game as a unisex model...

 

[teddykgb]

Re: Manchester City Ladies - Toni Duggan {merged}

There is no way some of these comments are the result of actually watching top-level womens soccer consistently. I suspect no-one here has clue about US womens college, or pro football, or really knows anything about the womens US team. It's like reading Andy Gray reading Andy Gray reading Andy Gray. Womens football is womens football, not defective mens football.

Nobody is saying it is. We're discussing ways of improving the appeal of the women's team game in the UK, and mainly Manchester. Comparison with the men's game is going to be inevitable, the target audiences being the same, but many view the women's version as less exciting despite there being some excellent footballers out there. I don't think making suggestions such as adjustments to the rules to improve the excitement and competition is misogynistic in any way - it's what other sports have done and been successful. The US women's game developed due to the apathy towards the men's game pre-World Cup 1994.

Apathy may have made it plausible, but winning made it possible. The women's game developed a group that could win, and everyone loves a winner.

 

[johnnytapia]

Re: Manchester City Ladies - Toni Duggan {merged}

Yeah, agreed about the evolving of the game. They already have the likes of Marta, who is not far off top of Championship standard, playing her trade in the Women's game. The Japan national team, is fantastic to watch, in their industry and creativity.

If we can bring to/ through Man City Women, such a player/ players it will be amazing!

"not far off top of the Championship standard" - whatever you're smoking is working a treat.

Have YOU seen her play or are you just assuming she's a girly powder puff on the pitch?? I have and she's amazing.

Odds on, she'd embarrass you rather easily on a pitch.

Not odds on. It would be an absolute certainty. But, alas, that doesn't mean she's any good at football. And if you think she's good enough for top of the Championship, like I said, you're clearly smoking something very good. If she were THAT good, there'd be a queue of teams from the 3rd and 4th tiers signing her up. And there ain't. Cos she's not.

 

[johnnytapia]

Re: Manchester City Ladies - Toni Duggan {merged}

You and thousands of others. Because women's football is utter shite - if it were anything other, folk would want to go and watch it. They don't.

If City Ladies win/lose/draw/never play again, it would barely register a murmur.

If people want to play the tired "it's City for fuck's sake" card, then let them. It's City in name only. It isn't football. And us signing Toni Duggan / anyone else from the world of female football "stars" won't change that. Ever.

Calling folk who hold this opinion sexist/ant-City/unfair is all so predictable. Just like women's football.

Do you not look at yourself and wonder why you're such an oddball? LOL

You spat your dummy in this thread because someone said a female player was a top player, in a thread about women''s football.

You're a fecking weirdo, if you don't want to watch it no one's forcing you but being so desperate to come into a thread and slag everything off is truly bizarre behaviour.

It's not bizarre behaviour at all, it's called the internet. Unfortunately there's no way to utilise an intelligence test before you're allowed to post so any old idiot can put their 'opinions' up.

-- Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:36 pm --

There was a programme on Radio 4 not so long back, the basic premiss was that the game had been very popular in the early parts of the last century, attracting huge crowds for some games, however the FA at the time conspired to have it stopped because they did not see it as a proper thing for women to do

I was going to comment on the fact that men have been sponsored for 120 years so their standard is bound to be a good few levels higher.
I wasn't aware there had been womens football that far back, in recent memory they've only been serious for 20 years maybe?
With proper sponsorship and facilities I've no doubt the womens game can come on leaps and bounds and I'm glad City have got involved.

I love the fact that any dissenting voice is immediately seen as being "bizarre" or "fecking weirdo". This thing is called a "forum" - a place to debate. I'm of the opinion that women's football isn't very good. And no amount of television, money will change that. You could put it on the TV 24hrs a day, 365 days a year, pay them billions. The football produced would be barely better than what we've got now. The BBC showed the women's darts this year - a game where, you would think, the anatomy wouldn't matter too much. But guess what, the men are light years ahead. Just like they are in every single sport. Bar none. And it isn't anything to do with practise/coverage/money. It's good old mother nature. Misogynist? Nope. Realistic? Yep.

Anyway, some of you clearly think the women's team is something worth following and investing your time in. Each to their own.