Manchester Schools (The EU)

[Monkfish]

Steady on mate! We can't let mere facts get in the way of a good old racist rant opportunity.

Don't think the OP was being anything but genuine but Mrs Monkfish was incredulous when I told her someone on the news (I don't want her thinking I waste time on here) said that eu immigration was taking its toll on teaching. She loves classes with EU migrants, reckons it gets the classes grades up as they have a great attitude that also rubs off on the born and bred

Maybe she has been lucky but the figures also seem to suggest the same, schools with higher levels of immigration get better results

 

[Stuuuuuu]

No, it's the same in my schools. Our SATs are looking great this year, thanks largely to our EAL kids. It's the kids from white British families who cause all of our problems.

 

[CityStu]

Don't think the OP was being anything but genuine but Mrs Monkfish was incredulous when I told her someone on the news (I don't want her thinking I waste time on here) said that eu immigration was taking its toll on teaching. She loves classes with EU migrants, reckons it gets the classes grades up as they have a great attitude that also rubs off on the born and bred

Maybe she has been lucky but the figures also seem to suggest the same, schools with higher levels of immigration get better results

Maybe it isn't a linear trend but one where it peaks early. I understand the argument that having a few (say 20%) hard working, appreciative immigrant kids who speak English can drive the average up, but I don't buy that having a class where 80% of kids are foreign and don't speak English can be anything but incredibly disruptive and harmful to the progress of all, as the OP suggests.

To those saying we should be asking the EU for help schooling these kids - how? Their countries of origin are losing their working population to the UK leaving their economies in a downturn. We are a net contributor and, as our economy continues to outperform Europe, we will contribute even more net.

 

[Stuuuuuu]

Maybe it isn't a linear trend but one where it peaks early. I understand the argument that having a few (say 20%) hard working, appreciative immigrant kids who speak English can drive the average up, but I don't buy that having a class where 80% of kids are foreign and don't speak English can be anything but incredibly disruptive and harmful to the progress of all, as the OP suggests.

To those saying we should be asking the EU for help schooling these kids - how? Their countries of origin are losing their working population to the UK leaving their economies in a downturn. We are a net contributor and, as our economy continues to outperform Europe, we will contribute even more net.

With all due respect mate, what you 'buy' and what you don't 'buy' are irrelevant. It's the simple facts that matter.

 

[CityStu]

With all due respect mate, what you 'buy' and what you don't 'buy' are irrelevant. It's the simple facts that matter.

Show my the facts then. Percentage of non-English speakers in class vs. results.

Otherwise it's your word against the OP's, and I find the OP's much more believable.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Show my the facts then. Percentage of non-English speakers in class vs. results.

Otherwise it's your word against the OP's, and I find the OP's much more believable.

Here you go.

 

[johnnytapia]

Show my the facts then. Percentage of non-English speakers in class vs. results.

Otherwise it's your word against the OP's, and I find the OP's much more believable.

At age 5 (end of Early Years) white British outperform every single ethnicity except Indians. By age 11 (end of Primary School) white British are sixteenth, and are outperformed by many different ethnicities. As others have posted, in the later years, EAL (English as an Additional Language) children, on average, perform better than white British. The reasons are myriad and certainly some ethnicities have an educational culture that teachers would love to see in every kid: Chinese and Indian being the mots cherished. But I come back to my original post - we have thousands of young children in Manchester, arriving monthly from “Europe” (having originated in Africa, Pakistan and other rather more non-European places), and they bring with them a massive, unsustainable drain on schools’ resources; on teachers’ energies; on the very infra-structure of our education.

I teach all children to the very best of my ability. I work tirlessly to ensure any child gets the best deal - and that is a deal that includes finding them and their families housing; getting them Speech and Language Therapists; Occupaaional Therapists; Educational Psychologists; Doctors; Nurses -anything basically that will allow them to live a decent life. BUT, it isn’t sustainable. It cannot continue - all the posters saying we should treat all equally - I do. But I know that the numbers of teachers leaving the system is at shockingly high levels; the numbers of Deputies such as myself unwilling to take the step to headship is at crisis levels - migration isn’t the solitary cause. But it’s a factor. A large one.

If you filmed the meetings where the school leaders have to be allocated unplaced kids by the council, and heard and witnessed how the system is trying to accommodate unfettred access to this country, you could only come to one conclusion: it’s insane. It’s a bottomless pit that sucks money into it. But hey, it’s the freedom of border that the EU wants. And our kids are just as entitled to go to Spain, France etc. And yet, and yet…it doesn’t quite work like that does it.

The National Audit Office: over a quarter of a million more children were placed in primary schools in the last 18 months. If anyone thinks that’s nothing to do with the EU, then they’re living in cloud cuckoo land. And if anyone thinks it’s sustainable they’re welcome to tell me how.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

I taught in Longsight from the mid eighties to 2002.
Over 75% of the kids were commonwealth immigrants or Somalis.
Very few of them, or their parents, spoke English.
At parents evenings MEC sent in translators to let the parents know what we were telling them. We also had to send all school documents out in Urdu.

All this had absolutely fuck all to do with the EU.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

At age 5 (end of Early Years) white British outperform every single ethnicity except Indians. By age 11 (end of Primary School) white British are sixteenth, and are outperformed by many different ethnicities. As others have posted, in the later years, EAL (English as an Additional Language) children, on average, perform better than white British. The reasons are myriad and certainly some ethnicities have an educational culture that teachers would love to see in every kid: Chinese and Indian being the mots cherished. But I come back to my original post - we have thousands of young children in Manchester, arriving monthly from “Europe” (having originated in Africa, Pakistan and other rather more non-European places), and they bring with them a massive, unsustainable drain on schools’ resources; on teachers’ energies; on the very infra-structure of our education.

I teach all children to the very best of my ability. I work tirlessly to ensure any child gets the best deal - and that is a deal that includes finding them and their families housing; getting them Speech and Language Therapists; Occupaaional Therapists; Educational Psychologists; Doctors; Nurses -anything basically that will allow them to live a decent life. BUT, it isn’t sustainable. It cannot continue - all the posters saying we should treat all equally - I do. But I know that the numbers of teachers leaving the system is at shockingly high levels; the numbers of Deputies such as myself unwilling to take the step to headship is at crisis levels - migration isn’t the solitary cause. But it’s a factor. A large one.

If you filmed the meetings where the school leaders have to be allocated unplaced kids by the council, and heard and witnessed how the system is trying to accommodate unfettred access to this country, you could only come to one conclusion: it’s insane. It’s a bottomless pit that sucks money into it. But hey, it’s the freedom of border that the EU wants. And our kids are just as entitled to go to Spain, France etc. And yet, and yet…it doesn’t quite work like that does it.

The National Audit Office: over a quarter of a million more children were placed in primary schools in the last 18 months. If anyone thinks that’s nothing to do with the EU, then they’re living in cloud cuckoo land. And if anyone thinks it’s sustainable they’re welcome to tell me how.

"And yet, and yet...it doesn't quite work like that does it?"

I don't know.

Do you?

 

[RichardDunneOwnGoal]

"And yet, and yet...it doesn't quite work like that does it?"

I don't know.

Do you?

Well done for spectacularly missing the point.

His point was that it's largely a one way street. Britain has a major allure that people from all over the globe are attracted by, and are trying to get to - many via EU passports.

The same isn't true of huge numbers of British families flocking to other EU states, to utilise those same lax freedom of movement rights.

It's overwhelmingly a one way street, one that costs the taxpayer a lot of money and has social consequences as well as financial consequences - as @johnnytapia has demonstrated.