Manchester University to charge 9 grand a year.

[Swales lives]

We're really fortunate then, £9000 a year is horrible.

Indeed. Emerging after 3 years with a debt of £42,000 is unimaginable.

It's totally unacceptable. Those sort of figures are obscene. My missus will finish her Masters at the University of Mcr in Sept and will leave with debts of £18K. That's bad enough. And that's without attending a single Indie disco or Ball.

So any young students will be up to their eyes in debt forever and that's without a mortgage.
Working class people - wave goodbye to higher education. You're not welcome.

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

Its a perfect strategy - the problem with universities over the past 15 years is the emergence of eeejit courses, in essence creating positions for the less intellectually gifted, these course notoriously produce weak results and in reality should be binned, however uni's have grown in line with these courses so the way to combat the 'McFly' slackers is to introduce a level of fees where every student puts in more than the bare minimum - basically going for the right reasons.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Is that from next year? I go Salford and i've paid £3225 each year (Im in my 2nd year) I hope it don't go upto £9000 but it probably will.

You paid £3225 for 2009-10
£3290 for 2010-2011
and will pay
£3335 next year.

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

Indeed. Emerging after 3 years with a debt of £42,000 is unimaginable.

It's totally unacceptable. Those sort of figures are obscene. My missus will finish her Masters at the University of Mcr in Sept and will leave with debts of £18K. That's bad enough. And that's without attending a single Indie disco or Ball.

So any young students will be up to their eyes in debt forever and that's without a mortgage.
Working class people - wave goodbye to higher education. You're not welcome.

Absolute gash

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Its a perfect strategy - the problem with universities over the past 15 years is the emergence of eeejit courses, in essence creating positions for the less intellectually gifted, these course notoriously produce weak results and in reality should be binned, however uni's have grown in line with these courses so the way to combat the 'McFly' slackers is to introduce a level of fees where every student puts in more than the bare minimum - basically going for the right reasons.

What a balloon!
YOU are paying the £9000 a year, the tax payer.
It will be decades before you see any of it back and even under ideal conditions the government admit the taxpayer will never see more than 75% of the loans total back due to early deaths, not working after graduation, never earning enough to pay off, graduates buggering off abroad and not declaring it and EU students fucking off and not paying anything back.

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

Its a perfect strategy - the problem with universities over the past 15 years is the emergence of eeejit courses, in essence creating positions for the less intellectually gifted, these course notoriously produce weak results and in reality should be binned, however uni's have grown in line with these courses so the way to combat the 'McFly' slackers is to introduce a level of fees where every student puts in more than the bare minimum - basically going for the right reasons.

What a balloon!
YOU are paying the £9000 a year, the tax payer.
It will be decades before you see any of it back and even under ideal conditions the government admit the taxpayer will never see more than 75% of the loans total back due to early deaths, not working after graduation, never earning enough to pay off, graduates buggering off abroad and not declaring it and EU students fucking off and not paying anything back.

You can't actually be this thick?

 

[Swales lives]

It's totally unacceptable. Those sort of figures are obscene. My missus will finish her Masters at the University of Mcr in Sept and will leave with debts of £18K. That's bad enough. And that's without attending a single Indie disco or Ball.

So any young students will be up to their eyes in debt forever and that's without a mortgage.
Working class people - wave goodbye to higher education. You're not welcome.

Absolute gash

Universities are rammed with upper/middle class kids, working class students are rare as rocking horse horse shit. On the Masters course my missus is doing, everyone on that course bar my wife and one other, is from a wealthy family (that's out of 60 people).

It's mainly rich foreign students who are paying 3 times the amount the UK students are paying. And the course fee for the Masters for 1 year at the moment is £6K. God knows what that will rise to in 2012. But it will put anyone already struggling with their debt right off. That's where the elitism is most rife, in the qualifying beyond graduate level.

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

Absolute gash

Universities are rammed with upper/middle class kids, working class students are rare as rocking horse horse shit. On the Masters course my missus is doing, everyone on that course bar my wife and one other, is from a wealthy family (that's out of 60 people).

It's mainly rich foreign students who are paying 3 times the amount the UK students are paying. And the course fee for the Masters for 1 year at the moment is £6K. God knows what that will rise to in 2012. But it will put anyone already struggling with their debt right off. That's where the elitism is most rife, in the qualifying beyond graduate level.

Mate i take your point, and I understand the 'old boy networks' - but its wrong on so many levels and frankly a long winded debate i'm not getting into.

 

[cockneycarparkm32]

What a balloon!
YOU are paying the £9000 a year, the tax payer.
It will be decades before you see any of it back and even under ideal conditions the government admit the taxpayer will never see more than 75% of the loans total back due to early deaths, not working after graduation, never earning enough to pay off, graduates buggering off abroad and not declaring it and EU students fucking off and not paying anything back.

You can't actually be this thick?

Zin , Manchester Uni . make more money out of foreign students, I did some work for a fella that implements the money from Chinese commerce . It is in their,(not our, British ) interest . They get paid a fortune for placements . He is also aware of the fact that some of these students who are given the bursery ,never pay in full for their education . They just do one home with a shiny certificate, not their fault , but as a tax payer even he knows the system is wholly wrong , and unfair.
I know where you`re coming from ,as one of the easiest forms of graduation is Social science , thats why we have a govt. that has created jobs for the care system ,housing officers, social workers, H&S execs. ect

It would cost less to employ these people as school leavers and train them on the job. Cherry picking the best .
we have a country full of educated people . Who quite frankly are getting away with the bare minimum of work, people going into job area`s they have no passion for . That does my head in.
i.e. Social Workers - send in the fraud squad.

But please dont fund courses for people to study Big Brother , we have pyschiatry for that.....

 

[PSmyth07]

But what about the thousands of students that will come out of University and not get well paid jobs? What happens to that £9000 a year? It'll be lost.