Manchester University to charge 9 grand a year.

[denislawsbackheel]

Personally, i think it's a good thing.

Take a look at the US system, then be thankful it's tens of thousands, not hundreds of thousands if we're comparing like for like top tier institutions.

You'll get a loan, you'll pay it back drip by drip; it'll be like NI you won't even notice it coming out of your wage.

Plus, it might stop a lot of people who seemingly only go for the "life experience" and do David Beckham studies, i can't see how the 50% graduates would ever work as we're currently around 40% i think and degree's aren't worth the paper they're written on currently.

A sadly uninformed, but commonly held, prejudice.
In the US average student debt on GRADUATION is £32K.
Fees are astronomical, but so are means tested bursaries.

-- Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:33 am --

Ha ha! Unbeleivable. They were ripping me off by charging £2000!

To be fair, if you are going to any 'met' you are clearly not academic, you'd be much better finding a nice call center now and not getting in debt.....seriously.

If you are so illiterate that you can't write stuff for yourself could you please cut and paste from English sites in future!

 

[SWP's back]

While this will hinder students from a wprking class background, it will not stop these who are determined and more importantly want to study a "real" subject.

I didn't pay tuition fee's and had a full grant as both parents unemployed, but that meant I got £2800 per year grant and my rent alone was £2750 per year.

So

Summer before you go, get a job, job market tough, go to an employemnt agency and work for minimum wage doing anything,onceyou're at Uni get evening or part-time work and work through the holidays.

During my time at Uni, I worked as a bin-man, doorman, barman, tele-marketer, data entry all sorts of crap and came out in debt, but have been reaping the rewards since.

Working class kids can go, it's just harder and there's plenty that do it.

Absolutely. I didn't get a grant as I would have failed the family means test but my folks didn't pay me anything. They expected me to graft both in work and education whilst I was at Uni. I worked and paid my own way.

 

[brooklandsblue2.0]

Personally, i think it's a good thing.

Take a look at the US system, then be thankful it's tens of thousands, not hundreds of thousands if we're comparing like for like top tier institutions.

You'll get a loan, you'll pay it back drip by drip; it'll be like NI you won't even notice it coming out of your wage.

Plus, it might stop a lot of people who seemingly only go for the "life experience" and do David Beckham studies, i can't see how the 50% graduates would ever work as we're currently around 40% i think and degree's aren't worth the paper they're written on currently.

A sadly uninformed, but commonly held, prejudice.
In the US average student debt on GRADUATION is £32K.
Fees are astronomical, but so are means tested bursaries.

-- Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:33 am --

To be fair, if you are going to any 'met' you are clearly not academic, you'd be much better finding a nice call center now and not getting in debt.....seriously.

If you are so illiterate that you can't write stuff for yourself could you please cut and paste from English sites in future!

Work laptop- American spell checker..... I didn't go to uni, didn't need to.....doinng better than all but one of my mates who did though......

 

[SWP's back]

If you want to go university and get the benefits that come with that, then surely you should pay?

You do pay....................

In the form of Income tax for the rest of your working days.

Leaving with a relevant , decent qualification normally means that you command a higher salary and hence pay more in income tax

simples*

except those that have already benefited from Private Education (Labour / Con and Lib Dem) and then on to state subsidised UNI don't see it as that (cos they just don't live our lives)

In a few years time a UNI eductation will only be available for the rich and wealthy and the gap between the TOFFS and Working classes will just get wider and wider. Social Mobility will be finished and the upper classes will have a nice uneducated workforce that they can bleed to death, whilst they live behind their gated communities...........


LIARS THIEVES AND CHEATS THE LOT OF THEM

That is not only a lie, it is typical class war bullshit.

It has already been explained that you do not pay the loan back until (if ever), you are already earning a very decent wage. It should not put anyone off doing a decent course though hopefully it may well see the end of joke degrees and University being a lifestyle choice paid for by the rest of us.

 

[brooklandsblue2.0]

You do pay....................

In the form of Income tax for the rest of your working days.

Leaving with a relevant , decent qualification normally means that you command a higher salary and hence pay more in income tax

simples*

except those that have already benefited from Private Education (Labour / Con and Lib Dem) and then on to state subsidised UNI don't see it as that (cos they just don't live our lives)

In a few years time a UNI eductation will only be available for the rich and wealthy and the gap between the TOFFS and Working classes will just get wider and wider. Social Mobility will be finished and the upper classes will have a nice uneducated workforce that they can bleed to death, whilst they live behind their gated communities...........


LIARS THIEVES AND CHEATS THE LOT OF THEM

That is not only a lie, it is typical class war bullshit.

It has already been explained that you do not pay the loan back until (if ever), you are already earning a very decent wage. It should not put anyone off doing a decent course though hopefully it may well see the end of joke degrees and University being a lifestyle choice paid for by the rest of us.

Spot on mate, but lets not stop these little rebels 'toff basing' and Tory Bashing.... its what they like.

 

[whitt]

To be fair, if you are going to any 'met' you are clearly not academic, you'd be much better finding a nice call center now and not getting in debt.....seriously.

Clearly. What about for a vocational based course?

 

[brooklandsblue2.0]

ALSO why not make students di a full days study and go to uni to work hard not go on the pop.

If they were in 5 days a week 9-5.30 with extended terms these courses could be but down to 18mnths Im sure= half the debt. Plus if they are not out pissing their cash up the wall because they'll actually be working hard to get an education......

I can just imagine the sheer look of horror when the little darlings here they'll actually have to do some hard graft.....it would also reclaim universities for genuine STUDENTS.

 

[OxBlue]

ALSO why not make students di a full days study and go to uni to work hard not go on the pop.

If they were in 5 days a week 9-5.30 with extended terms these courses could be but down to 18mnths Im sure= half the debt. Plus if they are not out pissing their cash up the wall because they'll actually be working hard to get an education......

I can just imagine the sheer look of horror when the little darlings here they'll actually have to do some hard graft.....it would also reclaim universities for genuine STUDENTS.

To be fair it all depends on the course, My first year was 09:00 til 16:00 every day except Wednesday which was 09:00 til 12:00 (sports) and I was doing Engineering, but mates who were doing Law, business etc.. had as little as 8 hours a week of lectures, but were expected to do a lot more reading in their own time.

Hardly a full working week, but if you've got coursework, extra studying and a part-time job it soon adds up.

 

[brooklandsblue2.0]

ALSO why not make students di a full days study and go to uni to work hard not go on the pop.

If they were in 5 days a week 9-5.30 with extended terms these courses could be but down to 18mnths Im sure= half the debt. Plus if they are not out pissing their cash up the wall because they'll actually be working hard to get an education......

I can just imagine the sheer look of horror when the little darlings here they'll actually have to do some hard graft.....it would also reclaim universities for genuine STUDENTS.

To be fair it all depends on the course, My first year was 09:00 til 16:00 every day except Wednesday which was 09:00 til 12:00 (sports) and I was doing Engineering, but mates who were doing Law, business etc.. had as little as 8 hours a week of lectures, but were expected to do a lot more reading in their own time.

Hardly a full working week, but if you've got coursework, extra studying and a part-time job it soon adds up.

I agree that it would need restructuring, but I really don't see why it should not be expected that STUDENTS (and lets all just remember what that word actually means) should do 9-5.30 + 90 mins/2hrs home study a night.....then they can do sports/get pished all weekend!

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I believe most degrees could easily be completed in two years without any detrimental effect whatsoever on the education of the student.