Mancini Almost Left To Manage Monaco

[SWP's back]

Do all the journalists hate City and want them to fail? Do they all want United to succeed? Is there an agenda?

Fuck me you are a bore.

Yet you follow me like some weird stalker, as you do other posters too. I've had PM's about you with posters taking the piss to which i've always replied you're alright, but you are just one of those aren't you who latches onto a poster you don't agree with and will out them at any chance. THAT is what's boring so if I were you i'd stick to posting about how many 'sleeps' there are until you next go on the piss with people off the internet, it suits you better.

Doesn't change the fact that you would take any position so long as it was contrary to the majority of city fans.

 

[unexpected item]

Taylor was given the story from somewhere and my guess it was Chelsea, as stated earlier in the thread, there are links with them and Monaco's owner. Would suit Chelsea to deflect the headlines away from their recent problems, and it gives the usual suspects a couple of days to talk about us in a negative way before the weekend's games take the headlines elsewhere.

...or, if I was a fully paid up subscriber to the Agenda, then I'd say it was a perfect time to prime the negative story pump before we lose at the Hammers tomorrow, followed by our CL exit next week. If this comes to pass, then the negative press will really be in overdrive, telling us exactly how much pressure Bobby is under.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

There may come a time when I post which journos have been secretly talking with other newspapers/media in terms of a new job, earning more money.

Let's allegedly start with Ian Herbert and McDonnell for starters.

Thoughts on how City should handle it ?

£300 an hour ;)

As you have stated above, just brief beforehand, anybody who infringes it, ban hammer.

It's a nothing story in the scheme of things. I'm sure City aren't naive enough, nor Mancini, seemingly, to know what goes on behind closed doors.

Mancini is a nice man, certain people take advantage of that.

 

[mcfcphil]

But if it has happened, why would they not print it?
You haven't answered why they are doing it either.
If Fergie got a call from the owners of Blackburn last week and had talked to them about becoming their manager, it would have made the news in the same way this has. The reason for that is because it is news. You say this is a non-story, well how so? The manager of the now-champions of England having talked to the owners of Monaco whilst still in a season where his current club could be champions... how is that a non-story?
I'll throw another one in. Should Chelsea be looking like becoming champions this season and in April RDM decides to talk to Anzhi, for example, because he's not too sure about his tenure at the Bridge, I can guarantee you that it will make the papers at some point. There's no reason why not, just like there's no reason why this Mancini story shouldn't make the papers.

-- Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:59 am --


You beat me to it! I'll add the papers taking the piss out of Wio for not being able to sit down on a plane because his back was 'finished'. We could go all the way back to 92 and how Fergie lambasted his players for partying. We could go back to the Keane/Stam/D'Urso incident when they were described as animals. We could look at any number of Keane stories actually, from breaking Alfie's leg to hitting women whilst pissed up.
I don't remember such stories of City players doing this.

I speak as a working journalist.
Couple of points – yes it may be true, but to say there is absolutely no reason to doubt the story is extremely naive. There could be a whole manner of inaccuracies in it and they don’t even have to malicious. Just human error or getting facts wrong, misinformation – it happens.

Also to say certain sections of the media won’t be hoping city get beat against west ham is also very naive. Maybe hope is the wrong word but the journalist will be looking for the strongest possible story and City getting beat by west ham and ramping up the pressure on mancini is a far better story than city breezing to a standard 2-0 win. Admittedly that isn’t specifically anti-city but i have no doubts there are sports journalists out there who would take great pleasure in that angle and push it to the nth degree.

Finally, to say there is no negative angle to this story is way wide of the mark. The very fact the manager’s job (either through sacking or resignation) was a real possibility only a few months ago will do absolutely nothing for the stability of the club. Maybe the journalist didn’t put a negative slant with the language he used but that’s because he didn’t have to – unless he is lives on mars then he would know the result of the article would be a negative one to the club.

I’ll give you an example. I have been subbing the sports pages for a newspaper since the start of the season. I have been writing headlines about a certain club which has been struggling dramatically. I have absolutely no axe to grind against this club but my headlines were negative and putting pressure on the manager simply because that is the inescapable story. Incidentally the manager was sacked very recently.
But like i say i had absolutely no beef with the club – no opinion whatsoever – but if it was a club i disliked with a passion then you can bet your bottom dollar my headlines would have been more inflammatory. If i was writing a headline about fergiescum being under pressure do you not think i would take great pleasure in doing a little bit to bring about the end of the old pisscan? Of course i would!

You can’t call a journalist a rag just for printing a negative story, but you need to compare his story to those of others covering the same story and judge it over a period of time. Then all will become clear as to who in the media has an agenda against City

As you are a journalist...can you answer me this please. Why cannt the media (and not just in terms of sport but on a general level as well) just stick to reporting the FACTS!.....I read reviews of football games Ive watched/been to and wonder if the journo writing them has even been to/watched the same game.

The reasons why the journos/media get such a hard time is because they spread gossip and rumor causing endless strife (again not just in sport but wider parts of life)...their job surely is to report the news...not to put negative spin on things to suit their own or the papers agenda, not to put pressure on a persons position/job, not to continually ask the same inane questions day after day week after week when told the same bit of info already.....

Report the facts...not opinion...that is the job of the media surely???????? If you want to tell stories then write a book....I want to read a sports report/bit of info on my team that isnt full of bias and hearsay...I want to know the truth about what is going on (im not saying that this reported article isnt but as you say there maybe some wild inaccuracies (though Im not sure why when most reporters carry recording equipment so evenif they "forget" what the exact answer was they can check?...My feeling is that these inaccuracies are deliberate!

This isnt a dig at you (though paraphrasing the words I often here the media use...."if you are going to put yourself in a position of fame etc then its in the public interest to know all about you"..well you have just done the same thing...large sections of media for me are utter trash (trying to put it nicely) and you have just put yourself out there to be shot at!

Happy to be shot at but i have a feeling my response may belong in the cellar.
Saying that about journalists is like saying why don’t all politicians just work for the good of the people, why don’t all businessman be considerate to the communities they operate in etc etc etc.
So because i’m a journalist i’m a scumbag short of morals? Couldn’t be further from the truth (i would like to think).
Think about the incredible documentaries you see on television, think about holding politicians/banks to account and of course holding itself to account when needs be. Think about local newspapers giving publicity to fundraising events, think about coverage of tales of incredible human endeavour that makes you proud to be British, think about even the simplest of things you do in your life and most of it will be reliant on media in some form or other.
How do you find out about what your local council is up to and who holds it to account when they close down your library or school? Your local newspaper.
How do you find out about what’s going on in iran? Incredibly brave journalists who risk their lives to tell you THE TRUTH.
And i tell you what, for all their faults i’d rather hear things from a journalist than a partizan local council newsletter or a government official.
I’m not for one minute suggesting there isn’t a sordid side to the media but by Christ i tell you what – if you didn’t have it your life would be far worse off as a result.

 

[Anonymous]

There may come a time when I post which journos have been secretly talking with other newspapers/media in terms of a new job, earning more money.

Let's allegedly start with Ian Herbert and McDonnell for starters.

Thoughts on how City should handle it ?

£300 an hour ;)

As you have stated above, just brief beforehand, anybody who infringes it, ban hammer.

It's a nothing story in the scheme of things. I'm sure City aren't naive enough, nor Mancini, seemingly, to know what goes on behind closed doors.

Mancini is a nice man, certain people take advantage of that.

Haha. I guess we'll know soon enough.

I'm not sure I'd describe it as a 'nothing' story for the simple reason that someone somewhere felt compelled to leak it - can't imagine they do that unless they felt it would serve some purpose. I keep coming back to the fact that this suits Roman down to the ground, applying pressure on City and Mancini at this juncture of the season. Particularly after the week they've had.

If that isn't the case and it's come from closer to home then it's really very disappointing. Really does grate me that the story has come from Taylor for the simple reason that whoever gave it to him, he must've known they have an agenda which isn't in City's best interests. Doesn't strike me as he'd run with a story like that unless he felt it had some relevance to Mancini's current position.

I guess we can speculate until the cows come home.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Taylor was given the story from somewhere and my guess it was Chelsea, as stated earlier in the thread, there are links with them and Monaco's owner. Would suit Chelsea to deflect the headlines away from their recent problems, and it gives the usual suspects a couple of days to talk about us in a negative way before the weekend's games take the headlines elsewhere.

...or, if I was a fully paid up subscriber to the Agenda, then I'd say it was a perfect time to prime the negative story pump before we lose at the Hammers tomorrow, followed by our CL exit next week. If this comes to pass, then the negative press will really be in overdrive, telling us exactly how much pressure Bobby is under.

Can't agree. I believe Taylor has simply sat on it until it became pertinent.

It simply coincided with Begiristain's appointment this week, the talk of Guardiola on the shadows.

 

[Skashion]

Mourinho coming in January?

 

[Anonymous]

Can't agree. I believe Taylor has simply sat on it until it became pertinent.

If that's true then he's shot his load way too early. The story has had little impact because we're still undefeated in the league even if we are going to go out of the CL. Would've made more sense to run it post the Ajax defeat, or at a time later in the season when potentially the pressure on Mancini was greater.

I get the feeling that the timing has been dictated by someone outside the Guardian. There was enough Chelsea news to keep them going until tomorrow without needing to drop this this week.

 

[Mikeegrini]

But if it has happened, why would they not print it?
You haven't answered why they are doing it either.
If Fergie got a call from the owners of Blackburn last week and had talked to them about becoming their manager, it would have made the news in the same way this has. The reason for that is because it is news. You say this is a non-story, well how so? The manager of the now-champions of England having talked to the owners of Monaco whilst still in a season where his current club could be champions... how is that a non-story?
I'll throw another one in. Should Chelsea be looking like becoming champions this season and in April RDM decides to talk to Anzhi, for example, because he's not too sure about his tenure at the Bridge, I can guarantee you that it will make the papers at some point. There's no reason why not, just like there's no reason why this Mancini story shouldn't make the papers.

-- Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:59 am --


You beat me to it! I'll add the papers taking the piss out of Wio for not being able to sit down on a plane because his back was 'finished'. We could go all the way back to 92 and how Fergie lambasted his players for partying. We could go back to the Keane/Stam/D'Urso incident when they were described as animals. We could look at any number of Keane stories actually, from breaking Alfie's leg to hitting women whilst pissed up.
I don't remember such stories of City players doing this.

I speak as a working journalist.
Couple of points – yes it may be true, but to say there is absolutely no reason to doubt the story is extremely naive. There could be a whole manner of inaccuracies in it and they don’t even have to malicious. Just human error or getting facts wrong, misinformation – it happens.

Also to say certain sections of the media won’t be hoping city get beat against west ham is also very naive. Maybe hope is the wrong word but the journalist will be looking for the strongest possible story and City getting beat by west ham and ramping up the pressure on mancini is a far better story than city breezing to a standard 2-0 win. Admittedly that isn’t specifically anti-city but i have no doubts there are sports journalists out there who would take great pleasure in that angle and push it to the nth degree.

Finally, to say there is no negative angle to this story is way wide of the mark. The very fact the manager’s job (either through sacking or resignation) was a real possibility only a few months ago will do absolutely nothing for the stability of the club. Maybe the journalist didn’t put a negative slant with the language he used but that’s because he didn’t have to – unless he is lives on mars then he would know the result of the article would be a negative one to the club.

I’ll give you an example. I have been subbing the sports pages for a newspaper since the start of the season. I have been writing headlines about a certain club which has been struggling dramatically. I have absolutely no axe to grind against this club but my headlines were negative and putting pressure on the manager simply because that is the inescapable story. Incidentally the manager was sacked very recently.
But like i say i had absolutely no beef with the club – no opinion whatsoever – but if it was a club i disliked with a passion then you can bet your bottom dollar my headlines would have been more inflammatory. If i was writing a headline about fergiescum being under pressure do you not think i would take great pleasure in doing a little bit to bring about the end of the old pisscan? Of course i would!

You can’t call a journalist a rag just for printing a negative story, but you need to compare his story to those of others covering the same story and judge it over a period of time. Then all will become clear as to who in the media has an agenda against City

That was actually a very interesting read. Answer me this though. People on here say the press are in bed with Fergie because of United's standing in the game. With City looking like being the dominant force for the foreseeable future, would it not make sense to be on board with City rather than against them, if of course what you say is true?

In answer to your last point. People deal in the realities of today not the might be's of tomorrow. If I, as a journalist/tv pundit etc, had spent time and effort to be in a position with even the tiniest of hope to to gain access to any story/scoop. Would I stop doing what has made me successful?
Would I look to tomorrow, ofcourse but today pays the bills. And Ferguson has made it abundantly clear what happens if you have the audacity to cross HIS line in the sand.

 

[Anonymous]

Mourinho coming in January?