Mancini on Bellers at the Press Conference

[Anonymous]

Sorry, but totally disagree with that. Mancini is one of the best young manager's in the world - but to try and compare him, with a straight face, to Wenger, is laughable. I know it wasn't a direct comparison, but it's incredibly disingenuous to say he's won around the same as Wenger, because Mancini's achievements at Inter will ALWAYS be looked at within the context of the Calciopoli scandal - as they should. That's not to say they weren't achievements, and he shouldn't be applauded for them - just that we'll never ever know what he actually would have won had Juve not been relegated and forced to sell Ibra to Inter...

It's fascinating just how soft and precious so many posters on this forum are when it comes to Mancini. The guys is fallible and he will make mistakes like all managers do, and he'll be criticized for them.

To be honest I never know where certain posters like yourself are going with your infatuation with players like Ireland and constant criticism of Mancini. I didn't like Hughes selling Elano, but we moved on, can't see what the big fuss is over Ireland, good luck to him wherever he ends up but to dispute that he hasn't shown enough to stay is ludicrous(Stevie Ireland appreciation thread says it all, delusional). Mancini will make mistakes, everyone does, and is not in the league of achievements of Wenger and those select few, but he's the best manager we've had in decades and we should be getting behind him and accepting his decisions and accepting that some players, no matter how fond you are of them, aren't good enough or aren't right for the club. I am just tired of the Ireland love-in and the anti-Mancini "how could he get rid of Bellers and Ireland", it's his decision, he's in charge, for me that's the end of it, the manager have to be backed above the players for any of this to work, I just can't wait for 1 September and the end of all this.

I've been saying for a while now that if Mancini wants rid of players, they should go. I've also said many times that I think Mancini's a great manager.

I do however think it pretty neatly sums up the weird and wonderful mental state of some City fans at the moment that they think thanking Ireland, and wishing him all the best is "delusional" or an "Ireland love-in".

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

To be honest I never know where certain posters like yourself are going with your infatuation with players like Ireland and constant criticism of Mancini. I didn't like Hughes selling Elano, but we moved on, can't see what the big fuss is over Ireland, good luck to him wherever he ends up but to dispute that he hasn't shown enough to stay is ludicrous(Stevie Ireland appreciation thread says it all, delusional). Mancini will make mistakes, everyone does, and is not in the league of achievements of Wenger and those select few, but he's the best manager we've had in decades and we should be getting behind him and accepting his decisions and accepting that some players, no matter how fond you are of them, aren't good enough or aren't right for the club. I am just tired of the Ireland love-in and the anti-Mancini "how could he get rid of Bellers and Ireland", it's his decision, he's in charge, for me that's the end of it, the manager have to be backed above the players for any of this to work, I just can't wait for 1 September and the end of all this.

I've been saying for a while now that if Mancini wants rid of players, they should go. I've also said many times that I think Mancini's a great manager.

I do however think it pretty neatly sums up the weird and wonderful mental state of some City fans at the moment that they think thanking Ireland, and wishing him all the best is "delusional" or an "Ireland love-in".

Nope, it's the attitude of certain posters that Ireland shouldn't be going, is one of the best midfielders in the league and that it will somehow hurt us, and that it's a big mistake by Mancini, yes good luck to him but all of that is excessive and delusional, he had 1 good season, 1. So did Elano, so did Robinho, do they get that praise? do they fuck. Just cos he's an academy lad he gets some special praise, place in City hearts and is a hero is ludicrous. We sold Dunne, he scored against us but was it a mistake? would you put him back in the first team now? I wouldn't. What annoys me is that a number of posters(not wanting to mix them in with those that are just thanking Ireland for his service, which is the only decent thing to do for any player) who act like Ireland is above being sold, and will somehow become amazing if he stays.

It can only be judged a mistake if he turns into a world beater and in 2 years time(not 1, as that only puts him back where he was a few years ago) he's so good that he's on the lips of all the big clubs, we're wanting him back to be a massive part of our team as a Champions League hunting club and he's back with Ireland as the star player, until that ever happened it isn't a mistake by Mancini. Some users don't seem to get that though.

 

[@BluePhil8]

I take Mancini's side, Bellamy (imo) was talking absoloute sh*t in order to force a move away (to Tottenham by the way he was slapping Redknaps arse when they gained CL qualification, due to his shit defending) whilst retaining his Loyalty bonus (£2,000,000 lik Irelands i'd guess)

 

[Warwickhunt]

says he who conveniently ignores the basic structure of a football club...

and you make that assumption from me saying things should be kept behind closed doors by players and manager alike?

 

[cleavers]

I've removed the stupid and unsubstantiated post "from a mate" that was posted in here, and all replies to it, PLEASE DO NOT REPEAT OR EVEN HINT AT WHAT IT WAS IN THIS TOPIC OR ANY OTHER.

The poster has been informed.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

says he who conveniently ignores the basic structure of a football club...

and you make that assumption from me saying things should be kept behind closed doors by players and manager alike?

I don't see what Mancini's done any differently to any other manager when asked about squads and transfers.

 

[Skip Donoghue]

It's a very good analysis of Mancini's tactics but you can't honestly tell me that Bellamy is leaving because he doesn't fit into that system, and Santa Cruz and Jo are better options up front? And again, you can't say Robinho and an uproven Silva would be more effective than our player of the season in an attacking midfield position? Mancini has a problem with Bellamy and he's said things in the past about Ireland which give the impression he doesn't like him.

To be honest I was surprised that Bellamy was not in the 25 as his performances last season would indicate he deserved to be. However, not wanting Bellamy or Ireland, buying 2 attacking full backs, bringing back Robinho and going way over board for Milner, all fits in to that analysis of Mancini's Inter tactics.

I think Bellamy as a wide player in a standard 4-3-3 is a great player, but I don't think he's the type of player who can float around and open things up like Silva or Robinho. I agree Santa Cruz and Jo aren't good enough for the 25, but I don't think they will be in it once we complete on Balotelli. Possibly one will stay as we need some height and strength up front.

I genuinely don't think Bellamy was dropped because of his performances last year, or even for his attitude. I think he simply doesn't fit in with how we are going to play and his ridiculous outburst this week has made it all the more easy to drop him from the 25. Again with Ireland there is no natural position for him in that system. I don't think talent wise there is much between him and Milner, but Milner is definitely more suited to that system.

some very good points there

 

[robbieh]

Nedum out Jerome in.
Ireland out Silva in.
Bellamy out Balotelli in.
Garrido out Kolarov in.

Yaya in.

Pretty astute business and compared to last year the prices have been decent.

 

[Ric]

It's a difficult one with Bellamy. I wasn't particularly happy when we signed him, as I always thought he was a bit of a dick.

Yet after he joined us, I grew to love him. He always gave 100%, and had high personal standards he always maintained. He was almost the embodiment of us fans on the pitch.

Added to that he is hugely talented. His two goals at Old Trafford last season were testament to that, alongside numerous other impressive performances.

However, he's always been a livewire (as nine clubs in his career suggests) and does his own thing, and in a way I admire him for that.

However, he's never been truly happy at City since his mentor Hughes left, and he's very deliberately engineered a move away from the club. I've heard from people inside the club that he made it abundantly clear that he would "create hell" if he wasn't granted his move.

Can't verify that, but have no reason to doubt those who said it. It's a shame, as on ability alone he clearly merits a place in the 25, if not our starting XI. However, I can see it from Mancini's point of view. You can't have an unhappy player causing such unrest in the dressing room.

These things happen, players sometimes have to move on. I wish him all the best, but fully understand why the club won't sell him to the likes of Spurs.

 

[StrangewaysHereWeCome]

Your post I hope has brought some calm to the thread Ric, no disrespect guys but you are getting heated

If he (Craig) doesn't move to a rival, not a fucking problem.

He's a fantastic commited player BUT ... not that great!!

Look at it this way, we've pulled in Silva,toure2 and Mario. It's not that bad an exchanege for loonny tunes and dead granny is it?

Put it another way, how many title winning sides have Ireland and Bellamy been a part of? (no, I'm not suggesting we sign Campbell, Fletcher and Vieira...)

Keep the faith :-)