dasblues said:tolmie's hairdoo said:There is no belief in his abilities, a respect for his workings, that's the whole point.
People can lament about formations, signings, the price of fish.
Footballers are a precious bunch, they need to 'buy in' to their managers.
Mancini's man-management is rarely seen as an issue, but it is a pivotal one in the weeks ahead.
A couple of posters disregarded compliments last week about Mancini perhaps 'bending' in terms of the meal out.
It starts with mutual respect, then players are more pliable.
This seems to be a carbon copy of the England sqaud situation at the world cup last year.
Initially the England players enjoyed the new strict regime compared to the laissez-faire attitude under Sven and Mclaren. This all chnaged when faced with an extended period with Cappello and his aloof unbending ways
I have read many times that this is the Italian model for football management, which surely the club knew when appointing Mancini?
The players will eventually bend to Mancini's ways or be shown the door.
You seem (as do many) to advocate the dispensing of a manager at the behest of a few disaffected players?
Lets play the long (and smart) game for a change and allow the manager time to develop the squad as he sees fit.
The same people calling for the managers head here, will be doing so with the next guy after a few unexpected results...
Soulboy said:moomba said:It would be interesting to know which 50% hate Mancini. And which ones of those hated Hughes, and hated Sven etc etc.
Hate is such a strong word.
Didsbury Dave said:dasblues said:This seems to be a carbon copy of the England sqaud situation at the world cup last year.
Initially the England players enjoyed the new strict regime compared to the laissez-faire attitude under Sven and Mclaren. This all chnaged when faced with an extended period with Cappello and his aloof unbending ways
I have read many times that this is the Italian model for football management, which surely the club knew when appointing Mancini?
The players will eventually bend to Mancini's ways or be shown the door.
You seem (as do many) to advocate the dispensing of a manager at the behest of a few disaffected players?
Lets play the long (and smart) game for a change and allow the manager time to develop the squad as he sees fit.
The same people calling for the managers head here, will be doing so with the next guy after a few unexpected results...
Hang on, the "few disaffected players" line was trotted out last season, and he was allowed to get rid of some quality players. Same in Jan when he shed more.
And still a significant number of the first team, and I'll throw in the backroom staff, don't like or respect him.
He's the problem, not the players. He had his chance to purge them and get his own men in and onside. He's blown it.
Failsworth_Blue said:How do you know they don't like him or respect him and what are their reasons for not liking or respecting him?
Soulboy said:Hate is such a strong word.
Does any criticism of the manager make someone a hater? Or are there shades of hate?
Or is using an emotive term like hate a good way of deflecting the discussion?
So many questions...
Didsbury Dave said:Failsworth_Blue said:How do you know they don't like him or respect him and what are their reasons for not liking or respecting him?
Let's just say I've been told repeatedly from people very close to the club, pretty much on an ongoing basis since he started. You don't have to believe me but it's true. I do know specifics, but I don't think you need to look further than the Tevez request, the handling of Adebayor and Bellamy, the public comments of lots of players and ex=players, the on-field body language of a number of players and the lack of consistancy and togetherness on the field. Have a looka t what happened with Jamie Murphy too for another clue.
His people management is awful and he has no credibility amongst the players.
Didsbury Dave said:dasblues said:This seems to be a carbon copy of the England sqaud situation at the world cup last year.
Initially the England players enjoyed the new strict regime compared to the laissez-faire attitude under Sven and Mclaren. This all chnaged when faced with an extended period with Cappello and his aloof unbending ways
I have read many times that this is the Italian model for football management, which surely the club knew when appointing Mancini?
The players will eventually bend to Mancini's ways or be shown the door.
You seem (as do many) to advocate the dispensing of a manager at the behest of a few disaffected players?
Lets play the long (and smart) game for a change and allow the manager time to develop the squad as he sees fit.
The same people calling for the managers head here, will be doing so with the next guy after a few unexpected results...
Hang on, the "few disaffected players" line was trotted out last season, and he was allowed to get rid of some quality players. Same in Jan when he shed more.
And still a significant number of the first team, and I'll throw in the backroom staff, don't like or respect him.
He's the problem, not the players. He had his chance to purge them and get his own men in and onside. He's blown it.
Failsworth_Blue said:Didsbury Dave said:Let's just say I've been told repeatedly from people very close to the club, pretty much on an ongoing basis since he started. You don't have to believe me but it's true. I do know specifics, but I don't think you need to look further than the Tevez request, the handling of Adebayor and Bellamy, the public comments of lots of players and ex=players, the on-field body language of a number of players and the lack of consistancy and togetherness on the field. Have a looka t what happened with Jamie Murphy too for another clue.
His people management is awful and he has no credibility amongst the players.
Fair enough Dave however around this time last season you were on here saying that Mancini wasn't liked, theres no chance he can stay on, he'll be gone at the end of the season. Why do you know all this yet theres hardly any reports in the media about how the players can't stand Mancini. Do you have better links to the club than the likes of Ladyman of the Daily Mail, Taylor from the Guardian? Serious question
ban-mcfc said:remoh said:Make your mind up! Is he young and learning or is he a proven manager. He can't be both.
In two full seasons he would kill this Club. His arrogance and stubbornness prevent him from making progress.
he's both.
yes he is young and naive at times. but he has proven he can be a successful manager by winning trophies. whats so difficult to understand about that?
dasblues said:Getting a new man in will in no way guarantee us not to be in the same postion next year as this.
Remeber back to Hughes , we had the same problems with dissaffected players then. Players who didn't like his aloofness and squad discipline , Elano , Dunne etc
be careful what you wish for....
remoh said:'Young and learning' was your expression. Put that together with 'proven manager' and you have a contradiction in terms. It's a desperate attempt at defending the indefensible.
What I can't understand is the reason why you and the others are taking Mancini's side, when you can see exactly what we see, an under-performing group of players. Inspiration comes from good managers.
I am not normally a 'manager out' type of fan; I never joined in the attack on Hughes, apart from criticisms of his defence, but Mancini's failure is screaming at us and I just hope that our owners, who are not stupid men, will take the appropriate action asap.
We all want stability, but that desire should not control our opinions.
Blue Mooner said:remoh said:And this is the whole point, isn't it. Apart from the last paragraph, it sums up what so many of us think. (I don't think a win on saturday would turn an incompetent manager into a good one)
D D will keep on coming on here talking sense as long as he sees unbelievable tripe being spouted by Blues who support a manager who brings the worst out of good players.
Mancini should go now.
So how do you explain such a 'great' manager as Fergie taking his Man United team from 2nd to 11th then 13th ? Was Fergie bringing out the 'worst' out of good players or was he just in a transitional period of trying to build a championship winning side ?
If you think you can transform a team from perennial mediocrity into premiership winners in less than 18 months you are seriously deluded.
dasblues said:Didsbury Dave said:Hang on, the "few disaffected players" line was trotted out last season, and he was allowed to get rid of some quality players. Same in Jan when he shed more.
And still a significant number of the first team, and I'll throw in the backroom staff, don't like or respect him.
He's the problem, not the players. He had his chance to purge them and get his own men in and onside. He's blown it.
So you suggest the very definition of insanity, repeating the the same thing and expecting a different result?
Getting a new man in will in no way guarantee us not to be in the same postion next year as this.
Remeber back to Hughes , we had the same problems with dissaffected players then. Players who didn't like his aloofness and squad discipline , Elano , Dunne etc
be careful what you wish for....
levets said:SWP's back said:True colours come out at last.
I can't ever imagine saying I don't give a shit about the club, whoever the manger was and whatever the result.
You have every right to hold your opinion on the manager but to say you don't give a shit. Reminds me of that tosspot that used to play for us and said something similar when he was on the bench. Birds of a feather...
Birds of a feather...
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And there you have it.... Listening to the ramblings of another deluded fuckwit to much.
Alex DK said:My theori Mancini and Tevez to Inter, Mourinho to city.
remoh said:dasblues said:So you suggest the very definition of insanity, repeating the the same thing and expecting a different result?
Getting a new man in will in no way guarantee us not to be in the same postion next year as this.
Remeber back to Hughes , we had the same problems with dissaffected players then. Players who didn't like his aloofness and squad discipline , Elano , Dunne etc
be careful what you wish for....
Isn't this just what you are doing by wanting Mancini to stay on? We'd get another season of poor performances from valuable players.
The rags will be gutted if we get rid of Mancini.bri an t said:must give him time,if he stays for 3 years some of these player will not be here,he will improve the squad each year,also the undercover rags on here will be loving all this sack the manger.
Bluemoon115 said:The rags will be gutted if we get rid of Mancini.
Soulboy said:twinkletoes said:I am not deaf mate. It was quite clearly sang at the start of the Liverpool match.
Sarcasm's not your bag is it?