Mancini targets

[Dax777]

The viera comment is a bit harsh hes been brilliant this season, coming on bit of stability in the team, and he seems like a father figure to all the young talents we have in our team.

He was good in spurts. But it is clear he is getting up there in age. There is a point where the value of experience just doesn't match the loss of physical ability anymore. ANd I think we are at that point. However sentimentality might get the best of Mancini and the City heirachy. I hope Viera saves them the trouble and retires.

We already have Barry to take up that mantle. Someone who is experienced, has been around for a while and can be fantastic in spurts. Don't need to bring in any old heads.

I would be happy to see Vieira extend his stay as a player for 1 year. I think a lot of people have overlooked just how valuable he has been in ensuring we hold out for the last 5-10 minutes of games. As a bit part player he is fantastic but I don't want to see him playing any full games next season!

Well I haven't. But I think the fact still remains he'd be a year older and perhaps slower. Say we get Vertonghen in and we want to shore up the last tem minutes. All we need to do is sub in Lescott to play CD and move Vertoghen to the DM next to Nige, Milner and Yaya. ANd suddenly we have a fortress of defensively capable players. Stil feeling uncertain, then throw in Zab and Push Micah to the middle, now we have 2 fullbacks 4 CDs 2 DMs and a hustling CM in Milner all in to kill a game off.

The value of having a Viera is frankly overstated in my opinion. He has been a bit role player Since 2007 now, and it is probably time to call it a career. There are younger and better players everywhere, and youth players who could be getting the reps he will be taking away if he played one more year.

 

[adaminho]

He was good in spurts. But it is clear he is getting up there in age. There is a point where the value of experience just doesn't match the loss of physical ability anymore. ANd I think we are at that point. However sentimentality might get the best of Mancini and the City heirachy. I hope Viera saves them the trouble and retires.

We already have Barry to take up that mantle. Someone who is experienced, has been around for a while and can be fantastic in spurts. Don't need to bring in any old heads.

I would be happy to see Vieira extend his stay as a player for 1 year. I think a lot of people have overlooked just how valuable he has been in ensuring we hold out for the last 5-10 minutes of games. As a bit part player he is fantastic but I don't want to see him playing any full games next season!

Well I haven't. But I think the fact still remains he'd be a year older and perhaps slower. Say we get Vertonghen in and we want to shore up the last tem minutes. All we need to do is sub in Lescott to play CD and move Vertoghen to the DM next to Nige, Milner and Yaya. ANd suddenly we have a fortress of defensively capable players. Stil feeling uncertain, then throw in Zab and Push Micah to the middle, now we have 2 fullbacks 4 CDs 2 DMs and a hustling CM in Milner all in to kill a game off.

The value of having a Viera is frankly overstated in my opinion. He has been a bit role player Since 2007 now, and it is probably time to call it a career. There are younger and better players everywhere, and youth players who could be getting the reps he will be taking away if he played one more year.

still disagree, viera even though he may be slower has the respect of the players, he is a quality motivater he doesnt moan about being on the bench, hes a captain, and most importantly a winner, mancini knows how vital he has been, we dont want to be an arsenal team, thats always gona have potential but never quite make it.

to say barry will can take over is a joke right? he has no experiance of winning apart from our F.A cup, and to be honest isnt that much better than patrick and hes alot younger.

 

[Dax777]

I would be happy to see Vieira extend his stay as a player for 1 year. I think a lot of people have overlooked just how valuable he has been in ensuring we hold out for the last 5-10 minutes of games. As a bit part player he is fantastic but I don't want to see him playing any full games next season!

Well I haven't. But I think the fact still remains he'd be a year older and perhaps slower. Say we get Vertonghen in and we want to shore up the last tem minutes. All we need to do is sub in Lescott to play CD and move Vertoghen to the DM next to Nige, Milner and Yaya. ANd suddenly we have a fortress of defensively capable players. Stil feeling uncertain, then throw in Zab and Push Micah to the middle, now we have 2 fullbacks 4 CDs 2 DMs and a hustling CM in Milner all in to kill a game off.

The value of having a Viera is frankly overstated in my opinion. He has been a bit role player Since 2007 now, and it is probably time to call it a career. There are younger and better players everywhere, and youth players who could be getting the reps he will be taking away if he played one more year.

still disagree, viera even though he may be slower has the respect of the players, he is a quality motivater he doesnt moan about being on the bench, hes a captain, and most importantly a winner, mancini knows how vital he has been, we dont want to be an arsenal team, thats always gona have potential but never quite make it.

to say barry will can take over is a joke right? he has no experiance of winning apart from our F.A cup, and to be honest isnt that much better than patrick and hes alot younger.

If it is winners we are looking for, we already have that in Yaya, Dzeko, Balo, Tevez and De Jong. All have won leagues in different countries. If it is experienced old heads, we have Barry. And that is my point, Barry is better than Patrick so he should be the one getting those few games here and there. Patrick should be retired.

We are not a kiddie club like Arsenal. And we are not fielding 18 yearolds who are wet behind the ears. We have a starting 11 of all internationals. Even a bench of 5-6 internationals. These are not guys who need babysitting. They are mostly all accomplished. Sure they respect Patrick, but they don' expect him to get games ahead of them, nor should they. I see no reason why Patrick should get in with Milner on the bench. Besides if all he gets are handful of games, his impact is negligible in terms of mentoring. As he is not in the trenches 90% of the time. No matter how much we overrate his mentoring, there is very little you can do of that if you are on the bench. He is just sitting there like any backup. It is not as if he is better but unable to play so many consecutive games, as is the case with someone like Ledley King or Seedorf. He is just simply not as good as those who start.

And that is why he shouldn't be on the team as a player.

 

[adaminho]

Well I haven't. But I think the fact still remains he'd be a year older and perhaps slower. Say we get Vertonghen in and we want to shore up the last tem minutes. All we need to do is sub in Lescott to play CD and move Vertoghen to the DM next to Nige, Milner and Yaya. ANd suddenly we have a fortress of defensively capable players. Stil feeling uncertain, then throw in Zab and Push Micah to the middle, now we have 2 fullbacks 4 CDs 2 DMs and a hustling CM in Milner all in to kill a game off.

The value of having a Viera is frankly overstated in my opinion. He has been a bit role player Since 2007 now, and it is probably time to call it a career. There are younger and better players everywhere, and youth players who could be getting the reps he will be taking away if he played one more year.

still disagree, viera even though he may be slower has the respect of the players, he is a quality motivater he doesnt moan about being on the bench, hes a captain, and most importantly a winner, mancini knows how vital he has been, we dont want to be an arsenal team, thats always gona have potential but never quite make it.

to say barry will can take over is a joke right? he has no experiance of winning apart from our F.A cup, and to be honest isnt that much better than patrick and hes alot younger.

If it is winners we are looking for, we already have that in Yaya, Dzeko, Balo, Tevez and De Jong. All have won leagues in different countries. If it is experienced old heads, we have Barry. And that is my point, Barry is better than Patrick so he should be the one getting those few games here and there. Patrick should be retired.

We are not a kiddie club like Arsenal. And we are not fielding 18 yearolds who are wet behind the ears. We have a starting 11 of all internationals. Even a bench of 5-6 internationals. These are not guys who need babysitting. They are mostly all accomplished. Sure they respect Patrick, but they don' expect him to get games ahead of them, nor should they. I see no reason why Patrick should get in with Milner on the bench. Besides if all he gets are handful of games, his impact is negligible in terms of mentoring. As he is not in the trenches 90% of the time. No matter how much we overrate his mentoring, there is very little you can do of that if you are on the bench. He is just sitting there like any backup. It is not as if he is better but unable to play so many consecutive games, as is the case with someone like Ledley King or Seedorf. He is just simply not as good as those who start.

And that is why he shouldn't be on the team as a player.

but he can mentor on training pitch, aka de jong komps, etc for example dejongs game this year has been better than the last season, with regards to his distribution. these things can continue, isnt mancini asked for him to stay on as a coach ?