Mancini ...what was he thinking ?

I'm a huge fan and admirer of both Mancini and Ballotelli.

I really believe that Balotelli thought he was offside, i heard the whistle/scream.

But i do think Mancini was right to take him off and if you think Mancini was in the wrong then you also think that Dzeko and de Jong were in the wrong as they both had a massive barney with him.

Like Mancini said, the matter is over with now and i do think this will be a turning point in Mario's career, he was embarrassed to the world and to 24,000 people in LA and he now knows that his "papa" won't put up with any more shit from him.
 
WNRH said:
I'm a huge fan and admirer of both Mancini and Ballotelli.

I really believe that Balotelli thought he was offside, i heard the whistle/scream.

But i do think Mancini was right to take him off and if you think Mancini was in the wrong then you also think that Dzeko and de Jong were in the wrong as they both had a massive barney with him.

Like Mancini said, the matter is over with now and i do think this will be a turning point in Mario's career, he was embarrassed to the world and to 24,000 people in LA and he now knows that his "papa" won't put up with any more shit from him.
If you believe that Mario thought he was offside, then it is laughable to also believe the manager was right to substitute him.

The two are mutually exclusive .

If he thought it was offside then the manager made a mistake. An understandable one given the circumstances , but a mistake nonetheless.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
WNRH said:
I'm a huge fan and admirer of both Mancini and Ballotelli.

I really believe that Balotelli thought he was offside, i heard the whistle/scream.

But i do think Mancini was right to take him off and if you think Mancini was in the wrong then you also think that Dzeko and de Jong were in the wrong as they both had a massive barney with him.

Like Mancini said, the matter is over with now and i do think this will be a turning point in Mario's career, he was embarrassed to the world and to 24,000 people in LA and he now knows that his "papa" won't put up with any more shit from him.
If you believe that Mario thought he was offside, then it is laughable to also believe the manager was right to substitute him.

The two are mutually exclusive .

If he thought it was offside then the manager made a mistake. An understandable one given the circumstances , but a mistake nonetheless.
I disagree. It's perfectly reasonable to take him off if the manager feels he should have finished the shot seriously on the off chance that it wasn't an official's whistle.
 
taconinja said:
Didsbury Dave said:
WNRH said:
I'm a huge fan and admirer of both Mancini and Ballotelli.

I really believe that Balotelli thought he was offside, i heard the whistle/scream.

But i do think Mancini was right to take him off and if you think Mancini was in the wrong then you also think that Dzeko and de Jong were in the wrong as they both had a massive barney with him.

Like Mancini said, the matter is over with now and i do think this will be a turning point in Mario's career, he was embarrassed to the world and to 24,000 people in LA and he now knows that his "papa" won't put up with any more shit from him.
If you believe that Mario thought he was offside, then it is laughable to also believe the manager was right to substitute him.

The two are mutually exclusive .

If he thought it was offside then the manager made a mistake. An understandable one given the circumstances , but a mistake nonetheless.
I disagree. It's perfectly reasonable to take him off if the manager feels he should have finished the shot seriously on the off chance that it wasn't an official's whistle.

Precisely. Hopefully some good will come of this if Balo learns from it. Speaking as someone who's previously had my doubts about the manager, I've found myself agreeing with every single word he's uttered on the subject. He's handled it perfectly in that he's shown the rest of the squad that Mario isn't a 'special case', he's put Mario firmly in his place without going overboard, and he's shown a passion and ruthlessness that makes me feel that he's feeling a lot more comfortable in asserting his authority. Good signs for the coming season imo.
 
taconinja said:
Didsbury Dave said:
WNRH said:
I'm a huge fan and admirer of both Mancini and Ballotelli.

I really believe that Balotelli thought he was offside, i heard the whistle/scream.

But i do think Mancini was right to take him off and if you think Mancini was in the wrong then you also think that Dzeko and de Jong were in the wrong as they both had a massive barney with him.

Like Mancini said, the matter is over with now and i do think this will be a turning point in Mario's career, he was embarrassed to the world and to 24,000 people in LA and he now knows that his "papa" won't put up with any more shit from him.
If you believe that Mario thought he was offside, then it is laughable to also believe the manager was right to substitute him.

The two are mutually exclusive .

If he thought it was offside then the manager made a mistake. An understandable one given the circumstances , but a mistake nonetheless.
I disagree. It's perfectly reasonable to take him off if the manager feels he should have finished the shot seriously on the off chance that it wasn't an official's whistle.
So it is justified to publicly humiliate a young player who the media constantly vilify over a naive mistake?

He lost his rag and made an error.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
taconinja said:
Didsbury Dave said:
If you believe that Mario thought he was offside, then it is laughable to also believe the manager was right to substitute him.

The two are mutually exclusive .

If he thought it was offside then the manager made a mistake. An understandable one given the circumstances , but a mistake nonetheless.
I disagree. It's perfectly reasonable to take him off if the manager feels he should have finished the shot seriously on the off chance that it wasn't an official's whistle.
So it is justified to publicly humiliate a young player who the media constantly vilify over a naive mistake?

He lost his rag and made an error.
That's public humiliation? I think you have a lower bar than I do.
 
taconinja said:
Didsbury Dave said:
taconinja said:
I disagree. It's perfectly reasonable to take him off if the manager feels he should have finished the shot seriously on the off chance that it wasn't an official's whistle.
So it is justified to publicly humiliate a young player who the media constantly vilify over a naive mistake?

He lost his rag and made an error.
That's public humiliation? I think you have a lower bar than I do.
Of course it's public humiliation. A first team player dragged off and bollocked like that after half an hour? It was embarrassing for both of them. Luckily for the manager the press don't seem to have picked up on the offside thing, so he comes out of it as a strict disciplinarian rather than a hot headed fool. Balotelli isn't blameless, he should have buried it of course. And ultimately this will all be forgotten about in a day or so. So overreaction isn't necessary.

If they've both learnt something it could help us in the future
 
Didsbury Dave said:
taconinja said:
Didsbury Dave said:
So it is justified to publicly humiliate a young player who the media constantly vilify over a naive mistake?

He lost his rag and made an error.
That's public humiliation? I think you have a lower bar than I do.
Of course it's public humiliation. A first team player dragged off and bollocked like that after half an hour? It was embarrassing for both of them. Luckily for the manager the press don't seem to have picked up on the offside thing, so he comes out of it as a strict disciplinarian rather than a hot headed fool. Balotelli isn't blameless, he should have buried it of course. And ultimately this will all be forgotten about in a day or so. So overreaction isn't necessary.

If they've both learnt something it could help us in the future
I think we're just using differing terms then. I see humiliation as something that won't go away. Steven Ireland felt humiliated. If Mario feels humiliated, it's bad news.
 
Recall Mourihno sent Carvalho to the doghouse for questioning his selection @ Chelsea? Carvalho still remains Jose's most trusted lieutenant & 'protege' at RM.


Super Mario (2010 Golden Boy award winner joining the ranks of past winners like Messi, Aguero, Fabergas) scares the shit out of our opponents.
Trust me. He is a real threat.

Under Mancini proper guidance we will see Supoer Mario unleashed!
 
Didsbury Dave said:
WNRH said:
I'm a huge fan and admirer of both Mancini and Ballotelli.

I really believe that Balotelli thought he was offside, i heard the whistle/scream.

But i do think Mancini was right to take him off and if you think Mancini was in the wrong then you also think that Dzeko and de Jong were in the wrong as they both had a massive barney with him.

Like Mancini said, the matter is over with now and i do think this will be a turning point in Mario's career, he was embarrassed to the world and to 24,000 people in LA and he now knows that his "papa" won't put up with any more shit from him.
If you believe that Mario thought he was offside, then it is laughable to also believe the manager was right to substitute him.

The two are mutually exclusive .

If he thought it was offside then the manager made a mistake. An understandable one given the circumstances , but a mistake nonetheless.

No it's not at all, if Balotelli thought he was offside then he should of just stopped the ball dead, if he was offside he would have been booked for kicking the ball away anyway.
 
For my part, I thought that I did not go to Clive's church in Shaftesbury to see serious blokes but watched a friendly match and expected to be entertained, and Balo & Hart provided that entertainment. Mancini, not so much...
 
Skashion said:
Poor decision by Mancini. If Balotelli couldn't be bothered he wouldn't have been the best player on the pitch up to that point. He was putting in a very good performance, work rate too, and we looked a much poorer side the instant he went off. He was also pissed off to be taken off. Not really the actions of someone who doesn't want to be playing. Mancini talks about professionalism but he loses his temper easier than any of our players, including Balotelli, and that's got to stop. He can't act like he did as a player, he's got to be calm and rational. Why didn't he just let him carry on for the rest of the half, have a word with him and ask him to explain himself? If he still thinks he's lying, which I don't, then sub him at half-time without any public bust up. Handled badly, you can learn yourself Roberto too.
The above "Lead by Example"
 
This seems absolutely endless when it comes to Balotelli.

But whether he thought he was offside or not, his actions were ridiculous. Balotelli plays for himself and only himself, he's worse than Tevez.

When things are going great for him, he'll be the best player on the pitch, but things start going wrong for him and he'll sit and sulk. He has caused more harm to this team than good.

It's constantly the same with this lad, he's 21 years old, yes, but he's also on what, 180,000 a week? If I was him, I would keep my bloody head down, not pull that crap he did.
What he did was disrespectful to the other team, his teammates, club etc.

So not only does this clown act like a egotistical centered idiot, he also has the nerve to act like a stone cold brat. You don't talk to your boss like that, especially at his age, on the money he's on. Who the hell does he think he is.

And it's not just about what he did in the game. He might have thought he was offside, but it's gotten to the stage where I have no intention of giving him the benefit of the doubt.
I guess this is what we've to expect from this current generation of future players, I'm all for City glory days, but if it was anyway possible, could we leave clowns like this behind.

He's like a wrecking ball. We don't need him, he's only interested in himself, he couldn't give a shit who he plays for and he doesn't respect the club. All in return for some "potential".

Now I will support him as he is a City player, but lets stop pretending that he's anything other than a spoiled brat who is in it for himself and only himself. Welcome to the new generation of football.
And while Mancini has been brainless in the past, he absolutely 100% made the right decision when it came down to it. In no circumstances whatsoever, can this child think he is better than the team.
 
Unbeliveable... this is so out of proportion. It was a friendly for goodness sakes, he was trying to be flash and it backfired. I kinda feel embarrased for him.

This place is so reactionary at times. Let's all burn Balotelli on a stake for attempting to showboat in a friendly game. A game that had no other purpose than to get city attention in america as well as help the players get into shape for the new season.
 
One thing that strikes me about many City fans' attitude towards Mario is how 'selfish' they think he is and yet what I think makes him remarkable for a player of his age and ability is how unselfish he is in a footballing sense. He always looks to pass the ball to a team mate which for a skillful attacking player of 20 is completely untypical and dare I say it, mature.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
One thing that strikes me about many City fans' attitude towards Mario is how 'selfish' they think he is and yet what I think makes him remarkable for a player of his age and ability is how unselfish he is in a footballing sense. He always looks to pass the ball to a team mate which for a skillful attacking player of 20 is completely untypical and dare I say it, mature.

FTW :)
 
Balo's reaction was piss poor on the sideline. Said something to Mancini then went straight to end of the bench while Mancini followed him and raged.

Dont really see this kind of stuff with other manager&player.

Yeah a player can disagree, but not disrespect. His own manager/team at least please.
 

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