Mancini you are gutless

[julio jordio]

I've heard a lot of negative reaction today to the 0-0 draw against United last night. And this 'gutless Mancini' rubbish is one of the worst, most ill-informed examples.

Starting with Nigel 'I played in the worst City team ever and still couldn't keep my place' Cleghorn and his constant criticism of Roberto Mancini and right through to City fans on a variety of forums, there is a constant inane clamour for 'attacking football' of the type City are supposedly famous for.

First of all let us remember that that very attacking football without an ounce of tactical awareness is pretty much the reason we have won absolutely nothing, zilch, zero for most of our lifetimes.

Secondly, please remember that we have lost the last four Premier League derby matches against United, almost always miserably in the last minute of Fergie-time.

We may laugh and joke about how they are finished and we have overtaken them, but please, please let's not start actually believing our own hype about either them or us We are a work in progress and will be for some time to come. They are undefeated in all competitions since before the World Cup.

The most laughable of the comments from City fans is the 'I'd rather draw 4-4 than 0-0' nonsense in the Evening News today. Yes my poor foolish friend, but that choice only exists in your undersized, deluded head. In the real world the choice at this moment in time is as follows:

Working hard and grinding out a point against a United side that is the only unbeaten team in the Premier League, looking for an opening and perhaps - as we did against Chelsea - grabbing a narrow victory.

Going out gung-ho, winning one derby in twenty-four as we did between 1981 and 2001. Ooooh, but that game was 5-1 to us. Yes, and before we won again in 2002, we lost eleven derbies, including that 5-0 drubbing in 1994.

Also, United really meant it in those days when they said they didn't take us seriously. Now they do and last night showed it.

So it's probably time for us all to grow up and, if we must insist on singing 'We're not really here', then think for a nanosecond about what that actually means.

If anything, that is 'blimey, twelve games in and we are in the top four, four points clear of our nearest competitors. That's great, we're not really here are we, because it's the highest position for thirty five years at this point in the season.'

Fantastic first post mate. Just goes to show that posting on bluemoon seriously damages your mental health.

 

[cleavers]

Can we cut the personal stuff please and go back to the "debate" or the topic will get pulled. Thanks.

(Apologies for the colour, but wanted it noted.)

 

[forevermancity]

Why are you so hostile and aggressive towards fellow fans?

FC is allowed an opinion as it's a forum, you know, for opinions.

He used the stupid words "terrorising" surely that is more provocotive than being called a hypocrite.
Talking of which I notice at least another 50+ posters on here giving him grief.So `I`ll ask you politely,"whats your problem with me ??"
Hostile and aggresive ??
Mmmmmmmmm.

you mentioned something like if I was going to carry on I would be treated like adam teese. the same guy who was terrorised by city fans.

 

[Anonymous]

what a clown he is, we went for the win, yeah right.

makes Pearce look like Mourinho

Roberto Mancini is no clown. He is tactically very good and in no way makes Pearce look like Mourinho. That is just plain over reaction.

It has been debated to death on this thread and countless others about whether his tactics were right or wrong for the night but the only point where you're comment stands up in any way is "we went for the win, yeah right."
We didn't.

My own opinion is that we got a useful point and didn't lose any ground and that is what Roberto set up for and got, but in no way can he say that City went out to win that game last night.

Mate, to a letter, the same argument was run in the last third of last season. We parked the bus at the Emirates, got a point, and everyone was delighted..."it's a useful point etc..." against an Arsenal team who we had the psychological edge over. Same 'playing the percentages' excuses were trotted out in most any other game which we drew due to Mancini's conservative nature.

If the end game of playing this way is that you get overall result you want, then you're classed a success. But if in the end you miss out (as we did on 4th last season), then in the end you will be classed as a negative manager and a failure. It's in the nature of football supporters - you want to see your team at least trying to win the match...

And what of all the spending in the summer. Last season's objective was to finish 4th - since then we've spent a shed load more money bringing in world renowned footballers. I don't believe that this season's objectives are still to just finish 4th...the owners will be looking for marked progress in footballing terms as well...

 

[Joycee Banercheck]

Ooooh get you! Hard fucker you, aren't you?

Was it a long held opinion?

12 month ,before he even got the job so yeah long held and no im not a hard man just not impressed with your aggressive attitude

So you're the guy Dids Dave is referring to? If not, you're talking about something that he, and myself, aren't.

Aggressive attitude? Point me in the direction of it and I'll be happy to retract it. Think about it though, kid, you've jumped on Dids Dave, who was taking about his mate, and somehow started talking about yourself.

 

[oakiecokie]

He used the stupid words "terrorising" surely that is more provocotive than being called a hypocrite.
Talking of which I notice at least another 50+ posters on here giving him grief.So `I`ll ask you politely,"whats your problem with me ??"
Hostile and aggresive ??
Mmmmmmmmm.

you mentioned something like if I was going to carry on I would be treated like adam teese. the same guy who was terrorised by city fans.

You really have no sense of joviality and piss taking do you ?
Calm down dear its only a forum !!

 

[mcfc1996]

Some of us need to realise the days of only 2 games a season counting are long gone. If we had the same outcome against Chelsea would the ones up in arms be has scathing? I would say no and the simple reason is because most probably don't drink with or work with many Chelsea fans. Make no mistake United are one of the top sides in football. They are the standard we are looking to get to and hopefully surpass. It's obvious that top 4 is the target and not winning the league. Last nights result keeps us 4 points off 5th and 5 points off our biggest rival for top 4, Spurs. If we win against Birmingham on Saturday that would be 7 points from 3 games and if that was offered to me last Saturday I would have snapped the hands off.

 

[forevermancity]

you mentioned something like if I was going to carry on I would be treated like adam teese. the same guy who was terrorised by city fans.

You really have no sense of joviality and piss taking do you ?
Calm down dear its only a forum !!

you and your mancini lovers need to listen to the other fans and their views, just like we do.

 

[halpo123]

12 month ,before he even got the job so yeah long held and no im not a hard man just not impressed with your aggressive attitude

So you're the guy Dids Dave is referring to? If not, you're talking about something that he, and myself, aren't.

Aggressive attitude? Point me in the direction of it and I'll be happy to retract it. Think about it though, kid, you've jumped on Dids Dave, who was taking about his mate, and somehow started talking about yourself.

read his posts Dids said his mate had been happy with mancini for 12 month yet after last night he lost faith ,which i pointed out as being a little bit silly ,you then made out i was a thick fucker because it wasn`t rocket science so i called you a dick
for which i`m sorry

 

[BufordUSABlue]

Would an all out attacking performance, as some would say, gung-ho approach, with some close calls at our end as well.,........only to lose 1-0 in time added on (again FFS!!) be more acceptable to any Blue out there..........of course not!!

Great teams grind out points in their quest for greatness and leagues are won by doing just this.

Last night we did exactly that, we are talking about a team who have won pretty much everything over the last 15 years or so, there’s a reason for that! And we have already beaten their predecessors to that winning period this season. Oh, and by the way, also beaten the reigning Champions this season........not a bad start in my book......not fantastic when coupled with some other dodgy results along the way, but hey not too shabby!!

Have faith, be patient and support this transitioning team, please respect and get behind OUR clubs manager FFS, he wants this as much as any of us! We will be fine, come May when all the shouting stops and the points are tallied up!...Roll on the Champions League 