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Mancini you are gutless
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Didsbury Dave
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tolmie's hairdoo said:Just goes to show at City, we have our own fair share of know nowts about football.
That game last night was NO DIFFERENT to the win over Chelsea.
The tactics, the formation. It's merely a fine margin when top teams face each other.
Carlos got his chance against Chelsea, not last night.
I wonder where all that free-flowing football, high entertainment many are calling for, has been the last 30 years?
Cause it sure didn't win us anything.
The team dynamic will change to suit the opposition.
If it's 0-0 at home to Birmingham, then you are entitled to write shit.
Sorry Tolm but I don't agree with that at all
It was set up largely the same as Chelsea but we didn't perform the same.
Against Chelsea we got all over their midfield and for long periods dominated the midfield. Against Liverpool (which was a better performance) we did the same and also got midfielders forward.
Last night we did neither. We defended similar to those two games - very well but we didn't do our other jobs as well.
Now you can say that was down to the players but there were two big problems for me. Both Yaya and partocularly Milner were receiving the ball in dangerous positions but weren't the right players to capitalise. The game was crying out for Adam Johnson. And what was Yaya doing so far up the park?
A 0-0 against United is not a disaster of course. But I don't like Mancini telling me that "last year we lost, this year we drew" as though that makes it alright. I also don't like the fact that he said that losing to them knocked the stuffing out of our season. It did. And that's why it was vital to go and dominate Man Utd.
They aren't that good. They never looked like scoring. If we had bossed the game I think we'd have won comfortably. It would have been a huge lift to the whole club's morale.
It was sympomatic as to why we have underachieved for 12 months under this manager.
GStar
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I also think a lot of football fans know relatively little about football, so a fans opinion really holds little water in the grand scheme of things.
There's obviously a good few, but i wouldn't say too many, that actually look at how we and other teams set up, strengths, weaknesses options, contingency plans etc and analyse where their team could improve, in their opinion.
Which then goes back to the first bit, they only see 90 minutes of these players each week. Add that to the majority of us knowing little about football and what we as fans think, really shouldn't be taken too seriously.
There's obviously a good few, but i wouldn't say too many, that actually look at how we and other teams set up, strengths, weaknesses options, contingency plans etc and analyse where their team could improve, in their opinion.
Which then goes back to the first bit, they only see 90 minutes of these players each week. Add that to the majority of us knowing little about football and what we as fans think, really shouldn't be taken too seriously.
The Blue Order
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markbmcfc said:forevercity said:the real fans, the fans who go home and away, are not sure about this guy.
Cheeky Ba$tard!! how the feck do you think that you are a better fan than some of us on here just because you go to away games!
I've had a ST since 78 & never miss at home just can not afford the aways anymore.
When you grow up and have some responsibilities your ideas of "proper fans" may change.
Forza Mancini!!!
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Failsworth_Blue said:[
So your mate has decided because we drew with a team who are unbeaten in 24 games that thats it for him and Mancini? Unbelieveable.
No. My mate has for 12 months been saying "I still think he'll get it right" and last night admitted he's lost faith.
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Didsbury Dave said:Failsworth_Blue said:[
So your mate has decided because we drew with a team who are unbeaten in 24 games that thats it for him and Mancini? Unbelieveable.
No. My mate has for 12 months been saying "I still think he'll get it right" and last night admitted he's lost faith.
What was his opinion after Sundays game or did you not speak to him? Just interested if he thought he was getting it right based on that one or was it a matter of wait and see at that point?
GaudinoMotors
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Didsbury Dave said:Failsworth_Blue said:[
So your mate has decided because we drew with a team who are unbeaten in 24 games that thats it for him and Mancini? Unbelieveable.
No. My mate has for 12 months been saying "I still think he'll get it right" and last night admitted he's lost faith.
Probably just to shut you up Dave !
Joycee Banercheck
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Gutless is far too strong a word to define anything Mancini has done so far. Cautious seems to be doing the rounds and I'd have no qualms in taking that view.
I fully appreciate that he's trying to build a squad that he can control and get what he wants from, but I'd prefer it if his winning mentality came about by actually winning, rather than the 'let's not get beat' approach. It's ironic that he does that.
Anyway, I'm confident that we'll get it right under him and I'll reserve my underlying doubts. After all, don't wanna be drowned as a witch or owt.
I fully appreciate that he's trying to build a squad that he can control and get what he wants from, but I'd prefer it if his winning mentality came about by actually winning, rather than the 'let's not get beat' approach. It's ironic that he does that.
Anyway, I'm confident that we'll get it right under him and I'll reserve my underlying doubts. After all, don't wanna be drowned as a witch or owt.
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What on earth are you on about - what was wrong with bringiong Korolov on?
Yaya had a better game than you suggest - good runs but nitid marked up extremely well to deny him the outlets.
And now you go on about the non match topics - ie Johnson and Ade
Nitid were playing very well last night and when AJ came on and we lost the defensive aspect of Milner we looked more vulnerable.
Same mistakes week in week out??
4th in the league - beaten Liverpool and Chelsea - drawn with Sprus and Nitid (which we lost last year) - smell the roses a bit more - nothing is perfect but is getting and looking better. Give some credit.[/quote]
kolorov gave the ball away several times in dangerous area's, he isnt used to the intensity of the prem and bringing him on nearly cost us when he casualy lost possession on the outsdie of the box to fletcher who had a clear shot at goal but decided to pass.
yes we are 4th, but we are the laughing stock of the premiership, we are getting laughed at for this boring mundane football we play.[/quote]
Laughing stock of the Premiership?? were 4th FFS which by my maths means 16/20 teams in the league really cant laugh at all.
Yaya had a better game than you suggest - good runs but nitid marked up extremely well to deny him the outlets.
And now you go on about the non match topics - ie Johnson and Ade
Nitid were playing very well last night and when AJ came on and we lost the defensive aspect of Milner we looked more vulnerable.
Same mistakes week in week out??
4th in the league - beaten Liverpool and Chelsea - drawn with Sprus and Nitid (which we lost last year) - smell the roses a bit more - nothing is perfect but is getting and looking better. Give some credit.[/quote]
kolorov gave the ball away several times in dangerous area's, he isnt used to the intensity of the prem and bringing him on nearly cost us when he casualy lost possession on the outsdie of the box to fletcher who had a clear shot at goal but decided to pass.
yes we are 4th, but we are the laughing stock of the premiership, we are getting laughed at for this boring mundane football we play.[/quote]
Laughing stock of the Premiership?? were 4th FFS which by my maths means 16/20 teams in the league really cant laugh at all.
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Firevercity, you are CLUELESS.
Mancini has ended the rot against United, in case you have forgotten before last night they beat us 4 times in a row in the league, yes we were cautious, but let's not forget United barely worked our goalkeeper in 90 minutes, how many teams will be able to say that at the end of the season?.
I also suspect if our box to box midfielder Yaya Toure hadn't played like a complete cabbage we would of offered a lot more going forward. Never the less we could have nicked it from Carlos' free-kick or Zaba at the end.
They couldn't break us down, the first step on the ladder to becoming better than them.
Mancini has ended the rot against United, in case you have forgotten before last night they beat us 4 times in a row in the league, yes we were cautious, but let's not forget United barely worked our goalkeeper in 90 minutes, how many teams will be able to say that at the end of the season?.
I also suspect if our box to box midfielder Yaya Toure hadn't played like a complete cabbage we would of offered a lot more going forward. Never the less we could have nicked it from Carlos' free-kick or Zaba at the end.
They couldn't break us down, the first step on the ladder to becoming better than them.
Our setup was exactly the same GStar. The only difference was that Uniteds midfield doesn't have the legs of Chelsea's, so there were very few gaps to exploit as by and large Scholes and Carrick just sit and form an effective shield. Chelsea only had Mikel doing that. Plus, United had Park tuck in to effectively make it 4 vs 3 in their favour. That's why we couldn't dominate the midfield the way we did vs Chelsea.
If you note the first 25-30 minutes Park stayed in his usual widish position, and we had all of the ball. I thought we were going to crush them. To be fair to Fergie he solved that problem, and thus requiring us to change our system to counter it, which Mancini wasn't prepared to do. whereas Ancelotti was 1-0 down at that point so gambled by throwing on more forward players, which plays into our hands as it leaves Carlos and Silva less isolated.
In short we set out exactly the same way, but the circumstances of the goal dictated how the rest of the game played out.
Mancini for me plays by percentages. He knows that that team can see out a game regardless of the opposition.
After 45 minutes he was probably 80% sure of getting a point if we were happy with that. If we went all out, chances of winning jump to 50-60% but chances of a loss increase from 20% to 40-50%. Given the stakes and how far behind we would be if we lost, I understand the reasoning.
If you note the first 25-30 minutes Park stayed in his usual widish position, and we had all of the ball. I thought we were going to crush them. To be fair to Fergie he solved that problem, and thus requiring us to change our system to counter it, which Mancini wasn't prepared to do. whereas Ancelotti was 1-0 down at that point so gambled by throwing on more forward players, which plays into our hands as it leaves Carlos and Silva less isolated.
In short we set out exactly the same way, but the circumstances of the goal dictated how the rest of the game played out.
Mancini for me plays by percentages. He knows that that team can see out a game regardless of the opposition.
After 45 minutes he was probably 80% sure of getting a point if we were happy with that. If we went all out, chances of winning jump to 50-60% but chances of a loss increase from 20% to 40-50%. Given the stakes and how far behind we would be if we lost, I understand the reasoning.
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10.Goater_Legend said:Firevercity, you are CLUELESS.
Mancini has ended the rot against United, in case you have forgotten before last night they beat us 4 times in a row in the league, yes we were cautious, but let's not forget United barely worked our goalkeeper in 90 minutes, how many teams will be able to say that at the end of the season?.
I also suspect if our box to box midfielder Yaya Toure hadn't played like a complete cabbage we would of offered a lot more going forward. Never the less we could have nicked it from Carlos' free-kick or Zaba at the end.
They couldn't break us down, the first step on the ladder to becoming better than them.
but yaya has been a cabbage all season bar west brom and liverpool, yet mancini still plays him there? look, I can see why some fans are happy with a point, but these performances don't reflect the amount of talent we have in our squad. we should have enough steel in this side AND be able to play attractive football. surely?
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Does anyone genuinely believe UTD will adopt similar tactics when they play us at home? The rags would slaughter Fergie. That was the most negative performance I've seen us play under Mancini, no ambition whatsoever. You can't dress it up.
12 months ! he ain`t been here 12 months i think this may be one of your imaginary friends to back your anti mancini campaign upDidsbury Dave said:Failsworth_Blue said:[
So your mate has decided because we drew with a team who are unbeaten in 24 games that thats it for him and Mancini? Unbelieveable.
No. My mate has for 12 months been saying "I still think he'll get it right" and last night admitted he's lost faith.
bluefandk
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The attension seeking around here is embarresing, why do the Mancini haters need to start 5 threads about the same drivel?
mcfcliam
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oakiecokie said:forevercity said:oh right, so anyone who doesnt like mancini will be subjected to terrorising then shall they. its a shame bluemoon got as big as it has done, it attracts idiots like you on here. your post ratio just shows you what a sad git you really are pal.
Terrorising ??
Been watching to many Spooks episodes dumbass.
My post ratio shows that I have 11 a day !! On this thread alone I guess you`ve had 25+,so who`s the nob now ??
Please don`t move the goalposts and put the blame onto other fans,who at least are not hypocrites,like ypurself and only support the manager when it suits them ie,singing his allegiance at away games.
How sad is that,if you don`t like the guy ? Twofaced hypocrite of the highest order little boy.
Why are you so hostile and aggressive towards fellow fans?
FC is allowed an opinion as it's a forum, you know, for opinions.
julio jordio
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Project, you're bang on about the percentages with Mancini. I'm content with that.
Forevercity, being gutless would be for him to move away from his footballing principles and do things for the sake of others ie. you. A bit similar to the way in which a fan in the crowd shouts something to a player and expects him to do it. For that reason he's quite the opposite to gutless.
Forevercity, being gutless would be for him to move away from his footballing principles and do things for the sake of others ie. you. A bit similar to the way in which a fan in the crowd shouts something to a player and expects him to do it. For that reason he's quite the opposite to gutless.