Mancini

[tolmie's hairdoo]

If you were messrs Falcao, Cavani, Neymar, etc, and you love football, perhaps you would sit down to watch what Man City were all about?

Maybe you would watch them in the Champions League, or against Everton even?

Maybe you would sit there and ask yourself, 'what the fuck, City have spent all this money and this is the team? - thanks, but no thanks'.

It can't just be about the past, it has to be about moving forward and the present set-up is impacting a wider area than just the field of play and the dressing room.

Image and perception is everything to this whole thing.

 

[Marvin]

I think when the club allocate tickets at Wembley they should ask whether you want the pro or anti Mancini block

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Who is that aimed at? I know you are a long standing City fan.

I don't think agitating for the manager to be sacked when we're on our way back to Wembley counts as support though - especially when 12 months ago we were about to experience the happiest days of our City supporting lives.

And when your cohorts suggest that we replace Mancini, a manager who has won League titles in Italy and England with a manager who has won one Interto Cup and flopped spectacularly at Real Madrid it really does destroy any credibility you may have earned through your collective long years of supporting the club - or would you like to disassociate yourself from the campaign to install Pellegrini as City manager?

It's aimed at st Helen's blue who is repeatedly insinuating that those who want Mancini out are new fans or fans who don't come to games.

And for the thousandth time, as you don't appear to get it, you don't 'support' a club on a forum. You discuss it. As it goes, I've got my hotel and train already booked for Wembley where I will be 'supporting' city by roaring them on.

And when you start saying that, just because one or two people have discussed the merits of various replacements, that there is a 'campaign' to install one of them, you move Into the realms of the ridiculous. You are simply jumping gleefully on a straw man to avoid the argument.

I do get the distinction between discussion on a forum and supporting the club at the ground, but there are consequences to discussion. Ideas influence, unsettle and at the moment it's more like a campaign to depose the manager.

I'll be at Wembley with you too

Results and performances INFLUENCE. Players INFLUENCE.

Message boards and fans are at the very back of a very long list of criteria.

If it's a concerted campaign as you say, it is supposedly confined to just four or five posters, as the other 47,000 hold ultimate sway anyway.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Who is that aimed at? I know you are a long standing City fan.

I don't think agitating for the manager to be sacked when we're on our way back to Wembley counts as support though - especially when 12 months ago we were about to experience the happiest days of our City supporting lives.

And when your cohorts suggest that we replace Mancini, a manager who has won League titles in Italy and England with a manager who has won one Interto Cup and flopped spectacularly at Real Madrid it really does destroy any credibility you may have earned through your collective long years of supporting the club - or would you like to disassociate yourself from the campaign to install Pellegrini as City manager?

It's aimed at st Helen's blue who is repeatedly insinuating that those who want Mancini out are new fans or fans who don't come to games.

And for the thousandth time, as you don't appear to get it, you don't 'support' a club on a forum. You discuss it. As it goes, I've got my hotel and train already booked for Wembley where I will be 'supporting' city by roaring them on.

And when you start saying that, just because one or two people have discussed the merits of various replacements, that there is a 'campaign' to install one of them, you move Into the realms of the ridiculous. You are simply jumping gleefully on a straw man to avoid the argument.

Isn't discussing the relative merits of any successor to a man who has a five year contract,regarding a vacancy that doesn't actually exist take the strawman hypothesis into a whole new dimension?
Why speculate at all until such time as Mancini is actually fired,or his contract is due to expire?
As far as I am aware,nobody in the City hierarchy has intimated that they are dissatisfied with him,or are considering a change.
So why all the talk regarding a replacement?

Everyone in football is taking about the possibility of Mancini being replaced, for the obvious reason that this season has been poor. There's fuel to the fire because it was obviously a distinct possibility last year.

Discussing a replacement is always going to happen as an extension of that. I bet there have been a dozen names on this thread alone.

Yet when someone sees the name of someone who isn't an obvious choice, no matter who has posted it and in what context, for some reason it gets picked up on as being a stick to win the whole argument with.

My take on a possible replacement has always been absolutely clear. I'd like mourinho. But if he isn't an option I want the next best available, whoever that is.

 

[AustinBlue]

Nah - they're too busy making their "Mancini Out" banners and coming up with new chants for the next home game.

Mancini - whoa-oah, Mancini - whoa-oah
He came from Italy,
His tactics upset me,
Mancini! Whoa-oah

Sung loud and proud no doubt as everyone around them feels the same.....

I wonder which stand the outers are going to unveil their banners....

Do they actually go Cookie? To unveil their banners they would have to attend rather than be an armchair.Saying that they may unveil them down the front of their houses.
My tin hat is firmly donned..

Mancini woaaahhhhh Mnacini woaaahhhhh he comes from Italy........Sung loud and proud by 47000 last league game I went to.

I just made a 9000+ mile round trip to see City play. I sang his name at the game, because as long as he is City manager I will support him in public. However, in the pub with my mates and on Internet forums for sharing opinions, I will continue to share my opinion that Mancini played a valuable role in our past but that we should be open to a new manager who can get more out of a squad.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

It's quaint how every defeat becomes a moral issue for the Cabal. All about what our manager ought to have done. The idea we were just desperately unlucky against the blue dippers is a mere aside.

I can tell you, as a 100% nailed-on fact, that our owners are not great believers in the concept of a bit of bad luck. Certainly not when it seems to be happening a bit too frequently.

I suspect they'd also be a little angry at the referee's decision-making and regretting the absence of the Captain, Yaya Toure, and Aguero. Do you think Mancini was happy? He was reportedly too angry to speak.

Let's take this a little further then. If I was Soriano or Khaldoon, asked that question and got those responses, I'd be tempted to say that if the referee had got all the big decisions right we'd have got a penalty but so would they and the Mirallas goal would have been allowed. So we might have lost 4-1.

And as for the injuries, if told that I'd accept they have to be a factor to some degree, but would ask if the run of injuries could have anything to do with Mancini's petulant sacking of the highly respected Dr Batty last summer. From having the best injury record last season, we've gone to having one of the worst. Aguero, Kompany and Rodwell have clearly all come back before they're 100% ready. RM was quoted at the time as saying "I only trust my own doctor" and look where that has got us.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

It's aimed at st Helen's blue who is repeatedly insinuating that those who want Mancini out are new fans or fans who don't come to games.

And for the thousandth time, as you don't appear to get it, you don't 'support' a club on a forum. You discuss it. As it goes, I've got my hotel and train already booked for Wembley where I will be 'supporting' city by roaring them on.

And when you start saying that, just because one or two people have discussed the merits of various replacements, that there is a 'campaign' to install one of them, you move Into the realms of the ridiculous. You are simply jumping gleefully on a straw man to avoid the argument.

Isn't discussing the relative merits of any successor to a man who has a five year contract,regarding a vacancy that doesn't actually exist take the strawman hypothesis into a whole new dimension?
Why speculate at all until such time as Mancini is actually fired,or his contract is due to expire?
As far as I am aware,nobody in the City hierarchy has intimated that they are dissatisfied with him,or are considering a change.
So why all the talk regarding a replacement?

Everyone in football is taking about the possibility of Mancini being replaced, for the obvious reason that this season has been poor. There's fuel to the fire because it was obviously a distinct possibility last year.

Discussing a replacement is always going to happen as an extension of that. I bet there have been a dozen names on this thread alone.

Yet when someone sees the name of someone who isn't an obvious choice, no matter who has posted it and in what context, for some reason it gets picked up on as being a stick to win the whole argument with.

My take on a possible replacement has always been absolutely clear. I'd like mourinho. But if he isn't an option I want the next best available, whoever that is.

There's fuel to the fire because the club won't put it to bed.

Others will ask, well why should they?

Simple answer to that would be to stop more fuel being added to the fire, wherever it comes from.

There's now ample opportunity, after the weekend result.

 

[AustinBlue]

The usual response from those who have lost the argument. When I go to games I do support the team 100%. Mancini isn't the team however and when I come on here I express my honest opinion.

Do you really think that after the performances in the CL and at Southampton and Everton that our enemies need any ammunition? Plus I think that our owners have already made their minds up about Mancini, although whether that's to stick with him whatever, give him another season or get rid sooner I don't know.

Do you sing his name p.b?

I do usually but I also sang "Hughsey, Hughsey give us a wave" and "Alan Ball is a football genius". I sing about David Silva being the maestro of Maine Road even though he couldn't point out the place on a map. I sing about The Pope telling Man Utd to fuck off, even though he wouldn't do that in a million years. Etc.

Maybe the new pope with his Argentinian allegiance to pabzab will make our dreams come true.

 

[OB1]

Spot on as usual DD.

I will be there at Wembley for the semi, just as I was there as a 9 year old with my dad and grandad in 1974 for the LC final against Wolves......even though by the measuring stick employed by some of the lame brains on here, my doubts about Mancini's ability to take us anywhere other than backwards from here on in, make me a JCL twat, who should go and support Chelsea, and who needs to buy a giant shoehorn to prize me out of my armchair

You failed to mention that you aren't even a Manc and as I only ever see you at grounds in London, you've probably never even been to Manchester.

 

[Deleted member 52846]

If you were messrs Falcao, Cavani, Neymar, etc, and you love football, perhaps you would sit down to watch what Man City were all about?

Maybe you would watch them in the Champions League, or against Everton even?

Maybe you would sit there and ask yourself, 'what the fuck, City have spent all this money and this is the team? - thanks, but no thanks'.

It can't just be about the past, it has to be about moving forward and the present set-up is impacting a wider area than just the field of play and the dressing room.

Image and perception is everything to this whole thing.

Or they might think "i would make myself a superstar there as what i have they don't have and i'd add some link-up with Kun and Silva and they'd surely sign other players - i'd be a hit and we'd be successful".