Mancini

[Exeter Blue I am here]

Pace, movement, pressing, high tempo passing...

There's a few "name me a manager better than Mancini" merchants on here, who'd do well to watch and learn, that's for sure

Be serious! You watch a good game, and it's an advert against Mancini?

How can you discuss anything seriously if this is the kind of mentality involved.

As for Joaquin he's been around for ages and no longer plays for Spain. His best days are very much behind him

No, it's not an advert against Mancini. Not for the first time you are responding to what you wish I'd written, in order to promote your own argument, rather than what I actually did write. And just to help you on that score, for the benefit of those, including yourself, who have spent the last 600 pages shrieking for the "outers" to provide alternatives to Mancini, I suggested you could do worse than watch the two excellently managed teams doing battle tonight in the most prestigious club tournament in the world........which incidentally we managed 0 wins in 6 games in, with a squad costing the better part of £350m.
As to Joaquin, I am fully aware of who and what he is. I simply said he was having a good game. Again, specs on, learn to read

 

[LoveCity]

BlueAnorak, you do realise don't you that Txiki Begiristain is Director of Football, not Head of the Academy (currently Mark Allen)? Begiristain's reach will go far beyond the academy.

 

[Phil1]

The fact that they're both playing for a place in the semis of the highest level tournament in club football, help convince you at all?

Convince me that Malaga have a better manager than us? No, not one tiny bit.
If Mancini was to leave for whatever reason then I'd welcome Klopp - he would be behind my choice of Mourinho but I think he would do a good job.
By the way, for all the pretty, fast flowing football that you're getting giddy about, neither team have scored yet I saw us only a few days ago score a couple of fantastic well worked goals which required all the attributes that you seem to think we don't have.

......against, erm, Newcastle

Yes, against Newcastle. If you wish to infer that they're some kind of conference side who would get turned over by Scunthorpe then I'll leave you to it.
I can accept that Mancini isn't the best manager about, I can't accept somebody denigrating him on the back of a great performance just so you can score points on a forum.

 

[daztrueblue91]

I think it is clear that the academy is going to be the key to our future success and the fact we have brought in Txiki who has worked with arguably the best academy in the world speaks volumes to who is in charge.
You do not invest 100+ million on a world class academy complex and bring in a man with the track record Txiki has as a DoF and not give him full control.

Of the Academy yes. The rest of football affairs. No. Not until he has proven himself.

Its obvious that it is up to Txiki if Mancini stays or goes and its easy to see why some folk want him gone and some want him to stay.

To you maybe. Having previously sub-contracted work from Etisalat I can say with a fair degree of accuracy that he won't get a say in dismissing Mancini - not until he has proven himself at the Accademy.

You can look at Mancini in two ways you can say he is a very poor man manager who fails to get the most out of his squad. You can also add that he is not very good in the UCL, has a habit of playing out club affairs in the media, couldn't manage Balotelli who he invested a lot of time and money on and has managed City and Inter both at fortunate times.
- or -
You can say Mancini has a very strict but SUCCESSFUL man management style and has won trophies where ever he has been. You could point out that Wenger and Fergies record is not the best in Europe when considering how many times they have been in the UCL. You can say that Mancini is a safe bet domestically and that he turned Mario into a 20 million plus striker.

True. It depends on whether your an outer or an inner.

IMO I think the only man who is going to cost Mancini his job is himself. He needs to accept that this club has moved on since he started here. There is no more Garry Cook trying to buy which ever top class player is available. There is no more Marwood in charge of transfers who he can blame when he does not get his own way.

Correct. City have to improve of the next two years for Mancini to get past year 3 where there is probably a break clause.

Mancini has been a big part of our success so far and there in no doubt about that however the way we have acquired our success is unsustainable and the way our club is now run has changed and unless Mancini adapts to this then he will be out of a job.
To get to where we want to be we need everyone from top to bottom working in the same direction and unless this happens our progress will be hindered.

Very true. But that is Txiki's job to get the Academy working properly. NOT Mancini.

Everyone needs to work together to get where we want to be. Txiki is never going to be able to turn our academy into producing top class players unless he has Mancini on side. Mancini is ultimately the one who picks the team and if he is reluctant to do so then the youth players will move to a club who will offer them first team football.

Mines just opinion and you will know more than me having previously worked with Etisalat but it seems strange Mancini staying if Txiki doesn't want him there. All that would do is create a tension and a bad atmosphere and if we are aiming to follow Barca's model of using the academy then Txiki will need control of more than just the academy.

Also does this mean that Mancini will be in charge of first team affairs only and the rest will be down to Txiki?

 

[Didsbury Dave]

BlueAnorak, you do realise don't you that Txiki Begiristain is Director of Football, not Head of the Academy (currently Mark Allen)? Begiristain's reach will go far beyond the academy.

Of course it bloody will. The bloke is a director of football, paid millions a year to run the football side. He was inundated with offers because he's proven himself as one of the best in the world at doing that. He isn't some graduate management trainee.

 

[Bluemoon115]

BlueAnorak, you do realise don't you that Txiki Begiristain is Director of Football, not Head of the Academy (currently Mark Allen)? Begiristain's reach will go far beyond the academy.

Of course it bloody will. The bloke is a director of football, paid millions a year to run the football side. He was inundated with offers because he's proven himself as one of the best in the world at doing that. He isn't some graduate management trainee.

Are you for real?

I mean, he and his mate turned Barcelona from a ego run madhouse to a self sufficient football factory, but he needs to prove himself before he can do anything with us!

 

[Nevizade]

BlueAnorak, you do realise don't you that Txiki Begiristain is Director of Football, not Head of the Academy (currently Mark Allen)? Begiristain's reach will go far beyond the academy.

Of course it bloody will. The bloke is a director of football, paid millions a year to run the football side. He was inundated with offers because he's proven himself as one of the best in the world at doing that. He isn't some graduate management trainee.

Surely his title of Director of *Football* gives a bit of a clue. The words 'head' and 'sand' spring to mind.

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

Convince me that Malaga have a better manager than us? No, not one tiny bit.
If Mancini was to leave for whatever reason then I'd welcome Klopp - he would be behind my choice of Mourinho but I think he would do a good job.
By the way, for all the pretty, fast flowing football that you're getting giddy about, neither team have scored yet I saw us only a few days ago score a couple of fantastic well worked goals which required all the attributes that you seem to think we don't have.

......against, erm, Newcastle

Yes, against Newcastle. If you wish to infer that they're some kind of conference side who would get turned over by Scunthorpe then I'll leave you to it.
I can accept that Mancini isn't the best manager about, I can't accept somebody denigrating him on the back of a great performance just so you can score points on a forum.

I despair. You mentioned Newcastle, not me, so how can I be accused of denigrating Mancini on the back of a great performance?! And to score points on a forum?! Honestly, I could give a crap!
But just for the avoidance of doubt, and to prevent you climbing aboard the self righteous Express again, I thought we played some great stuff against Newcastle, a) because we're a good side, and b) cos, 3 points above the drop zone, Newcastle ain't.
What this thread is about is whether Mancini is too limited tactically and in terms of his man management, to have us trade blows with decent European teams. I still say his record with both Inter and City in the Chimps League, leads me to believe that he isn't. You clearly differ

 

[George Hannah]

BlueAnorak, you do realise don't you that Txiki Begiristain is Director of Football, not Head of the Academy (currently Mark Allen)? Begiristain's reach will go far beyond the academy.

Doesn't Mr Marwood as Managing Director of the City Football Academy have overall responsibility within his remit?

 

[LoveCity]

BlueAnorak, you do realise don't you that Txiki Begiristain is Director of Football, not Head of the Academy (currently Mark Allen)? Begiristain's reach will go far beyond the academy.

Doesn't Mr Marwood as Managing Director of the City Football Academy have overall responsibility within his remit?

AFAIK Marwood's role deals with the CFA facilities more than anything. Mark Allen is currently "Head of Academy" but I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up replaced either by someone Spanish. I'm not sure if Allen answers to Marwood in any way. This was from the BBC when Marwood was relocated:

"Marwood's new role is involved with City's new youth development and first team training facility, which the club want operational for the start of the 2013-14 season."

 

[Didsbury Dave]

BlueAnorak, you do realise don't you that Txiki Begiristain is Director of Football, not Head of the Academy (currently Mark Allen)? Begiristain's reach will go far beyond the academy.

Doesn't Mr Marwood as Managing Director of the City Football Academy have overall responsibility within his remit?

Yes he does. And i think he reports to soriano rather than begiristain, although I'm not sure about that.

 

[sir baconface]

BlueAnorak, you do realise don't you that Txiki Begiristain is Director of Football, not Head of the Academy (currently Mark Allen)? Begiristain's reach will go far beyond the academy.

Doesn't Mr Marwood as Managing Director of the City Football Academy have overall responsibility within his remit?

I think so but Marwood is lower down the food chain and therefore takes direction from Txiki.

 

[Phil1]

......against, erm, Newcastle

Yes, against Newcastle. If you wish to infer that they're some kind of conference side who would get turned over by Scunthorpe then I'll leave you to it.
I can accept that Mancini isn't the best manager about, I can't accept somebody denigrating him on the back of a great performance just so you can score points on a forum.

I despair. You mentioned Newcastle, not me, so how can I be accused of denigrating Mancini on the back of a great performance?! And to score points on a forum?! Honestly, I could give a crap!
But just for the avoidance of doubt, and to prevent you climbing aboard the self righteous Express again, I thought we played some great stuff against Newcastle, a) because we're a good side, and b) cos, 3 points above the drop zone, Newcastle ain't.
What this thread is about is whether Mancini is too limited tactically and in terms of his man management, to have us trade blows with decent European teams. I still say his record with both Inter and City in the Chimps League, leads me to believe that he isn't. You clearly differ

I mentioned a couple of recent examples of us doing the things that you say tonight's game was full of, nothing more nothing less - you then posted in a way that led me to believe you thought it didn't really count as it was only Newcastle.
There's nothing self righteous about it, just an alternative view to the one you were putting across.
Your last paragraph I agree with, we clearly differ. :-)

 

[Balti]

 

[Marvin]

There's a few "name me a manager better than Mancini" merchants on here, who'd do well to watch and learn, that's for sure

Be serious! You watch a good game, and it's an advert against Mancini?

How can you discuss anything seriously if this is the kind of mentality involved.

As for Joaquin he's been around for ages and no longer plays for Spain. His best days are very much behind him

No, it's not an advert against Mancini. Not for the first time you are responding to what you wish I'd written, in order to promote your own argument, rather than what I actually did write. And just to help you on that score, for the benefit of those, including yourself, who have spent the last 600 pages shrieking for the "outers" to provide alternatives to Mancini, I suggested you could do worse than watch the two excellently managed teams doing battle tonight in the most prestigious club tournament in the world........which incidentally we managed 0 wins in 6 games in, with a squad costing the better part of £350m.
As to Joaquin, I am fully aware of who and what he is. I simply said he was having a good game. Again, specs on, learn to read

You make an error, you admit it or move on. Don't come back and try and hide behind bluster. To paraphrase you "Joaquin is a potential cheaper alternative to Cavani. A good game of football should make supporters of Mancini open their eyes." As if City have not played some of the best football any of us have seen in our lifetime!

 

[Bluemoon115]

As if City have not played some of the best football any of us have seen in our lifetime!

Because there's been great competition for that in the last few years?

Just because we're better than we were, doesn't mean we're as good as we could be.

 

[dancity19]

Be serious! You watch a good game, and it's an advert against Mancini?

How can you discuss anything seriously if this is the kind of mentality involved.

As for Joaquin he's been around for ages and no longer plays for Spain. His best days are very much behind him

No, it's not an advert against Mancini. Not for the first time you are responding to what you wish I'd written, in order to promote your own argument, rather than what I actually did write. And just to help you on that score, for the benefit of those, including yourself, who have spent the last 600 pages shrieking for the "outers" to provide alternatives to Mancini, I suggested you could do worse than watch the two excellently managed teams doing battle tonight in the most prestigious club tournament in the world........which incidentally we managed 0 wins in 6 games in, with a squad costing the better part of £350m.
As to Joaquin, I am fully aware of who and what he is. I simply said he was having a good game. Again, specs on, learn to read

You make an error, you admit it or move on. Don't come back and try and hide behind bluster. To paraphrase you "Joaquin is a potential cheaper alternative to Cavani. A good game of football should make supporters of Mancini open their eyes." As if City have not played some of the best football any of us have seen in our lifetime!

And a more accurate paraphrase of what he said might be: "Isco looks good, as does Joaquin. ....Lewandowski would make a decent cheap alternative to Cavani."<br /><br />-- Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:47 pm --<br /><br />

As if City have not played some of the best football any of us have seen in our lifetime!

Because there's been great competition for that in the last few years?

Just because we're better than we were, doesn't mean we're as good as we could be.

To be fair, I think there have been occasions in the last 2 years where we have played some phenomenal football, and maybe reached that peak. My complaint is that it has been too few and far between, and we haven't reached anywhere near that level all season really.

 

[Marvin]

yes OK, I mis-read the point about Joaquin. I have to concede that. Apologies Exeter Blue. I am the clown not you! Should have re-read your post after you told me too.

But not having the general comment about a good game of football should open the eyes of "Mancini" fans though when last season, and at times this season we've played as good a brand of football as the English game has seen, and I include Arsenal in that.

 

[BobKowalski]

So to reiterate my earlier point. No one is entirely sure who reports to who or even it seems what their remit is or where Txiki or Mancini fit into the management structure or whether Txiki has the authority to fire Mancini or not. Nice to see we are debating with all the facts to hand. And yes that does include me :)

And in other news given I was urged to see how well other teams play compared to ourselves...Dortmund were good but couldn't finish for toffee - where have I seen that before - and Malaga were ok(ish) but seemed to lose their way in the second half and it all got a bit disjointed. Bayern were excellent and Juve were...timid and very disappointing.

Heynckes in. Shame he's 104 and about to jack it in...but flavour of the month is so the way forward when picking your next coach

 

[andyhinch]

No, it's not an advert against Mancini. Not for the first time you are responding to what you wish I'd written, in order to promote your own argument, rather than what I actually did write. And just to help you on that score, for the benefit of those, including yourself, who have spent the last 600 pages shrieking for the "outers" to provide alternatives to Mancini, I suggested you could do worse than watch the two excellently managed teams doing battle tonight in the most prestigious club tournament in the world........which incidentally we managed 0 wins in 6 games in, with a squad costing the better part of £350m.
As to Joaquin, I am fully aware of who and what he is. I simply said he was having a good game. Again, specs on, learn to read

You make an error, you admit it or move on. Don't come back and try and hide behind bluster. To paraphrase you "Joaquin is a potential cheaper alternative to Cavani. A good game of football should make supporters of Mancini open their eyes." As if City have not played some of the best football any of us have seen in our lifetime!

And a more accurate paraphrase of what he said might be: "Isco looks good, as does Joaquin. ....Lewandowski would make a decent cheap alternative to Cavani."

-- Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:47 pm --

As if City have not played some of the best football any of us have seen in our lifetime!

Because there's been great competition for that in the last few years?

Just because we're better than we were, doesn't mean we're as good as we could be.

To be fair, I think there have been occasions in the last 2 years where we have played some phenomenal football, and maybe reached that peak. My complaint is that it has been too few and far between, and we haven't reached anywhere near that level all season really.

I want another, yes I think post coupled, with your only talking for yourself with an I know what you don't is chaser, love the self centred bullshit.