The Future's Blue said:Season on season we've seen tangible success, real-time progression and trophies in the cupboard.
Exeter Blue I am here said:grim up north said:Lancet Fluke said:Is the implication of this that a supporter shouldn't criticise Mancini if he or she isn't a better football manager himself/herself? Has the argument really become that facile?
What amuses me is the people who criticise Mancini man management style, his tactical now how will tappy lappy into work on a Monday doff their cap tug their forelock and say "yes sir no sir three bags full sir" to their employers and managers. Won't question their managers decisions and just get on with their jobs
What possible relevance does this have to anything?!
We were 6th when he joined and in the semi finals of the LC hardly no hopers. He joined and we went out of both domestic trophies and jumped only a place in the table.In his first half season we went from virtual no hopers to get a CL spot to us fighting it out until the 2nd last game of the season. This was after fans were unhappy about his appointment (especially the way it went about) which carried on after the season closed.
A great season but we spent 160 million in the summer so improvement was to be expected and we never really challenged for the title which was disappointing.The following season, we had more of the same before we went on to win our first piece of silverware in 35 years and our inaugural run in the CL. That should have gone some way to prove doubters wrong?
We wont get these teams because of our pot number plus Ajax completely outplayed us on two occasions so even if we somehow get an 'easy' group I still think we would struggle to qualifyMaybe, you never know, we might get the likes of Cluj and Braga in next seasons CL. If Mancini fails that then I'll be with you, but some how, I don't think that will be the case.
The Future's Blue said:The whole thing in this debate is how easy it is for some supporters to besmirch a manager. This isn't anything new but it's been going on since Hughes sacking/Mancini's appointment.
In his first half season we went from virtual no hopers to get a CL spot to us fighting it out until the 2nd last game of the season. This was after fans were unhappy about his appointment (especially the way it went about) which carried on after the season closed.
The following season, we had more of the same before we went on to win our first piece of silverware in 35 years and our inaugural run in the CL. That should have gone some way to prove doubters wrong?
Last season, the same old came up at the first opportunity and was perpetuated after the Arsenal game. The doubters were out in force but were soon to be proved wrong after turning the season around against no other than the team we would eventually pip to the title. Surely the doubters had been bought by now?
And now, here we are again, the teapot spinning happily on it's wheel. Mancini has proved he can do it, he's shown in his short time that he can bring tangible success to a club that was starved of anything but. One season, that's not quite finished and we lie in a very respectable position in the league with a chance of more silverware. Yet he is being given no chance of turning the corner?
Season on season we've seen tangible success, real-time progression and trophies in the cupboard. Mancini has proved time and time again that he can adapt and overcome, in the face of adversity and challenge, and put our club at the pinnacle of English football, pushing for top honours. Yet we don't give him time, we say thank you and goodbye?
Not for me thanks chaps, I'll keep my sense of entitlement in check and have patience in somebody who has proved he has what it takes.
Maybe, you never know, we might get the likes of Cluj and Braga in next seasons CL. If Mancini fails that then I'll be with you, but some how, I don't think that will be the case.
Forza Mancini, Forza City.
johnbmcr said:Exeter Blue I am here said:grim up north said:What amuses me is the people who criticise Mancini man management style, his tactical now how will tappy lappy into work on a Monday doff their cap tug their forelock and say "yes sir no sir three bags full sir" to their employers and managers. Won't question their managers decisions and just get on with their jobs
What possible relevance does this have to anything?!
none but it does show the relative complexity of having an opinion when nothing is stake and keeping your counsel when its linked to your economic survival
bluemcr said:Real Madrid coach, José Mourinho, remained enigmatic when asked about his future by the Portuguese press and said it would not be "a drama" if he did not win another Champions League this season. "To win two Champions is difficult enough, there are a lot of great coaches who haven't won any", he said.
"Everyone knows that I have an adventurous streak in me, but for my family it is not easy. Let’s see what happens, after England, Portugal, Italy and Spain it's difficult to find a new destination. I may have to repeat one. Things could be about to happen that nobody could dream of," he continued.
He also expressed his desire to coach his national side one day. "I would love to win something with Portugal one day, but it won't be easy because few Portuguese players are in the league there," he said
BillyShears said:bluemcr said:Real Madrid coach, José Mourinho, remained enigmatic when asked about his future by the Portuguese press and said it would not be "a drama" if he did not win another Champions League this season. "To win two Champions is difficult enough, there are a lot of great coaches who haven't won any", he said.
"Everyone knows that I have an adventurous streak in me, but for my family it is not easy. Let’s see what happens, after England, Portugal, Italy and Spain it's difficult to find a new destination. I may have to repeat one. Things could be about to happen that nobody could dream of," he continued.
He also expressed his desire to coach his national side one day. "I would love to win something with Portugal one day, but it won't be easy because few Portuguese players are in the league there," he said
Impossible that we're not talking to his people. May not come to anything but it would be remiss of the powers that be to not be looking at the best and most successful manager of the last decade.
It just seems such a blindingly simple and obvious choice to make. Soriano and txiki may have their philosophies and their power bases but ultimately they also have their targets on the field and financially.BillyShears said:bluemcr said:Real Madrid coach, José Mourinho, remained enigmatic when asked about his future by the Portuguese press and said it would not be "a drama" if he did not win another Champions League this season. "To win two Champions is difficult enough, there are a lot of great coaches who haven't won any", he said.
"Everyone knows that I have an adventurous streak in me, but for my family it is not easy. Let’s see what happens, after England, Portugal, Italy and Spain it's difficult to find a new destination. I may have to repeat one. Things could be about to happen that nobody could dream of," he continued.
He also expressed his desire to coach his national side one day. "I would love to win something with Portugal one day, but it won't be easy because few Portuguese players are in the league there," he said
Impossible that we're not talking to his people. May not come to anything but it would be remiss of the powers that be to not be looking at the best and most successful manager of the last decade.
OB1 said:BillyShears said:bluemcr said:Real Madrid coach, José Mourinho, remained enigmatic when asked about his future by the Portuguese press and said it would not be "a drama" if he did not win another Champions League this season. "To win two Champions is difficult enough, there are a lot of great coaches who haven't won any", he said.
"Everyone knows that I have an adventurous streak in me, but for my family it is not easy. Let’s see what happens, after England, Portugal, Italy and Spain it's difficult to find a new destination. I may have to repeat one. Things could be about to happen that nobody could dream of," he continued.
He also expressed his desire to coach his national side one day. "I would love to win something with Portugal one day, but it won't be easy because few Portuguese players are in the league there," he said
Impossible that we're not talking to his people. May not come to anything but it would be remiss of the powers that be to not be looking at the best and most successful manager of the last decade.
I hope you are right. Logically, you should be.