Mancini

[Blue Heaven]

His very public criticism of our players grates on me more and more, especially now it includes possibly the clubs best servant in VK, a pretty much perfect professional. When he first alienated players i understood it because he was the new guy trying to establish himself and his style on the team. Now i don't know why he'd publicly bash his own guys. I can't believe im saying this less than a year from him bringing us the title but i wouldn't be that bothered if he went. It's obvious big change is imminent now the barca boys are in charge, they're just waiting for the season to end. Lets hope these changes are for the best.

This style of management is almost UNIQUE, and for a very good reason - it has a corrosive effect upon the manager's relationship with not only the players targeted, but the squad and culture as a whole. This is merely a repeat of Bobby's last year at Inter, except that squad collapsed down the stretch to the Scudetto, and wasn't attempting to rally from 15 points behind. Bobby is proving once again that he is a great manager for 2-3 seasons, but things sour quickly once his expiration date is reached. For anyone who is at all familiar with American basebell, he is footy's analogue to MLB's legendary manager, Billy Martin (A's, Yankees). Martin would come into a new club, beat and whip and harangue his charges into shape, win titles, and then find himself with a squad that had simply become exhausted with him, despite great success. His excruciatingly public battles with players, opponents and even his own owner (think Reggie Jackson, George Steinbrenner) mesmerized American sports media, as managers/head coaches in American pro sports simply never dare to do what Martin did and Mancini does. Martin's career as a manager was marked by multiple short (but successful) stints. I think Bobby is cut from the same piece of cloth and will prove to have the same kind of managerial career that Martin did.

 

[OB1]

So Mancini is correct when he says that our poor finishing is part of the reason why we're so far behind?

Absolutely, and, unlike Dave, I don't think it is seventh on the list but, as a fairly recent post by DD set out, there are numerous reasons why we are not doing as well. Some of those reasons my be behind why Dortmund are scoring at a better rate than us - although Mr Bob Bombastic Sarcastic Kowadunghead seems to think they can't finish for toffee (yes, I am exaggerating to make a point and being childish too). Similar reasons may also apply to why Bayern score so many; although I assume the standard of derfending in Germany is worse than Outer Mongolia (yes I'm being sarcastic to make a point and no it's not directed at you Pablo but I started replying to you first).<br /><br />-- Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:50 am --<br /><br />

Lost to Hamburg away , Schalke at home...Wolfsburg at home..oh forget got hammered 4-1 at home to Hamburg a month or so back..scored though so thats a plus...

Dortmund are a very good team under an excellent coach and played exceptionally well against us but they stink the place out at times just as we stink the place at times. I do know that if we got smacked 4-1 at home to someone like Newcastle I doubt if we would get a cheery 'well at least we scored a goal thats good isn't it?" level of post match analysis.

It doesn't go down well whenever we lose but if we matched their conversion rate, I believe that we would have 18 more league goals and that could equated to enough points to have still competing for the title.

Well I am sure Dortmund fans will be further consoling themselves with the thought that their conversion rate would put them in contention for the title...of a league they do not play in. It sounds a lot better than being 20 points behind in the actual league they are in.

Perhaps Mancini can start claiming our points per game ratio would make us champions in say...Outer Mongolia. Missing a trick there I reckon

Yawn. Keep digging. See my response to Pablo.

 

[I'm no cynic but...]

If the reports are true and these reports are very dubious if you were given the choice of 1 person to leave would it be Mancini or Komps ?

Mourinho in for Mancini or Hummels in for Kompany ?

Mourinho.

It's not possible. Mourinho is a control freak and will refuse to be subservient to Txiki...the real manager... and he will want his own players, his own staff and his own playing style. All this talk of Barca style player development for the future will not wash with him. He is a cheque book manager and will be demanding instant success, not some pie-in-the-sky talk of years to come when we might, just might, have some kid come through who can get somewhere near the full squad. In other words, he is the exact opposite of the philosophy of what the club is aiming to achieve in it's own good time.

 

[Blue Heaven]

If the reports are true and these reports are very dubious if you were given the choice of 1 person to leave would it be Mancini or Komps ?

Mourinho in for Mancini or Hummels in for Kompany ?

Mourinho.

It's not possible. Mourinho is a control freak and will refuse to be subservient to Txiki...the real manager... and he will want his own players, his own staff and his own playing style. All this talk of Barca style player development for the future will not wash with him. He is a cheque book manager and will be demanding instant success, not some pie-in-the-sky talk of years to come when we might, just might, have some kid come through who can get somewhere near the full squad. In other words, he is the exact opposite of the philosophy of what the club is aiming to achieve in it's own good time.

Agreed. Sheikh Mansour would never hire Mou, and we already know what Ferran and Txiki think of him. Best manager on the planet, but a walking, ticking time bomb...kind of like Bobby, except that he rarely criticizes his own players in the media and is much more successful, especially in Europe.

 

[Anonymous]

Yawn. Keep digging. See my response to Pablo.

Careful, he'll send you to the naughty step.

 

[NipHolmes]

He comes from Italy,
To slaughter Kompany,
Mancini woah, Mancini woah.

or

He comes from Italy,
To slaughter Nasri,
Mancini Woah, Mancini woah.

Just fucking about. Seriously though, if people cannot see what's happening and need it spelling out for them then we may as well log off and pack it all in. Mancini is clearly felling pushed out and is naming and shaming people who have let his campaign down be it Marwood or Nasri for example. He's getting his excuses in early and has paved a way out of the club be it Monaco or Roma. It's all speculative but imo Mancini is right up against it to keep his job. We need a man manager who gets the best out his squad and we need someone well versed with academy management and integration into the first team which is going to be crucial going forward.

Barca play 4-3-3 and expect Txiki to go for coaches who play this formation. Pellegrini, Laudrup, De Boer, Jose etc all play this way most of the time. As expected by many Jose may be seen as too disruptive but the other three are calmer managers and are more likely to get the gig on the basis of being happy to work under DOF system and youth integration.

As Kolo said, Mancini needs the FA Cup to save him, imo and his opinion anyway.

 

[Rolee]

This thread needs it's own theme tune.

The melodrama in here puts Corrie to shame.

 

[hgblue]

This thread needs it's own theme tune.

The melodrama in here puts Corrie to shame.

Can I suggest Round and Round by New Order?

 

[OB1]

Yawn. Keep digging. See my response to Pablo.

Careful, he'll send you to the naughty step.

I know, but if people won't play nice.

 

[SiMCFC]

A few months back I was 100% backing him but his constant berating of players etc is starting to piss me off, his constsnt bullshit remarks about how we didn't get this player or that player also piss me off, boo fucking who, how do the rest of the league cope? They don't need to spend huge amounts every transfer period, I wonder if he's ever heard of something called bringing through the youth like around 10+ teams in the PL have to do... Never ever his fault, a constant blame game for his own shortcomings will eventually piss the man at the top off, if I blamed people at work for my shortcomings i'd be sacked.

The latest spat with Kompany for me shows what a tit the man can be so i'm not arsed either way anymore, no one is bigger than the club and that includes Mancini.

 

[OB1]

His very public criticism of our players grates on me more and more, especially now it includes possibly the clubs best servant in VK, a pretty much perfect professional. When he first alienated players i understood it because he was the new guy trying to establish himself and his style on the team. Now i don't know why he'd publicly bash his own guys. I can't believe im saying this less than a year from him bringing us the title but i wouldn't be that bothered if he went. It's obvious big change is imminent now the barca boys are in charge, they're just waiting for the season to end. Lets hope these changes are for the best.

This style of management is almost UNIQUE, and for a very good reason - it has a corrosive effect upon the manager's relationship with not only the players targeted, but the squad and culture as a whole. This is merely a repeat of Bobby's last year at Inter, except that squad collapsed down the stretch to the Scudetto, and wasn't attempting to rally from 15 points behind. Bobby is proving once again that he is a great manager for 2-3 seasons, but things sour quickly once his expiration date is reached. For anyone who is at all familiar with American basebell, he is footy's analogue to MLB's legendary manager, Billy Martin (A's, Yankees). Martin would come into a new club, beat and whip and harangue his charges into shape, win titles, and then find himself with a squad that had simply become exhausted with him, despite great success. His excruciatingly public battles with players, opponents and even his own owner (think Reggie Jackson, George Steinbrenner) mesmerized American sports media, as managers/head coaches in American pro sports simply never dare to do what Martin did and Mancini does. Martin's career as a manager was marked by multiple short (but successful) stints. I think Bobby is cut from the same piece of cloth and will prove to have the same kind of managerial career that Martin did.

Interesting example and I might nick it for use elsewhere.

I do worry that Mancini is on a slippery slope as regards his relationship with his charges. If events ultimately prove otherwise, great. However, the concern is there for some of us.<br /><br />-- Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:31 am --<br /><br />

If the reports are true and these reports are very dubious if you were given the choice of 1 person to leave would it be Mancini or Komps ?

Mourinho in for Mancini or Hummels in for Kompany ?

Mourinho.

It's not possible. Mourinho is a control freak and will refuse to be subservient to Txiki...the real manager... and he will want his own players, his own staff and his own playing style. All this talk of Barca style player development for the future will not wash with him. He is a cheque book manager and will be demanding instant success, not some pie-in-the-sky talk of years to come when we might, just might, have some kid come through who can get somewhere near the full squad. In other words, he is the exact opposite of the philosophy of what the club is aiming to achieve in it's own good time.

It may not be possible but so what? Daz asked a simple straight forward question and got a simple answer. It's about a preference no more , no less, IMO.

 

[moomba]

This is merely a repeat of Bobby's last year at Inter, except that squad collapsed down the stretch to the Scudetto, and wasn't attempting to rally from 15 points behind.

Collapsed down the stretch?

They won 5 of their last 7 to win the league. 4 points on top going into April, finished 3 points on top.

 

[bernabias home shirt]

This is merely a repeat of Bobby's last year at Inter, except that squad collapsed down the stretch to the Scudetto, and wasn't attempting to rally from 15 points behind.

Collapsed down the stretch?

They won 5 of their last 7 to win the league. 4 points on top going into April, finished 3 points on top.

Head in hands moment there for blue heaven :)

 

[andyhinch]

This is merely a repeat of Bobby's last year at Inter, except that squad collapsed down the stretch to the Scudetto, and wasn't attempting to rally from 15 points behind.

Collapsed down the stretch?

They won 5 of their last 7 to win the league. 4 points on top going into April, finished 3 points on top.

That's not the point though is it.

 

[BobKowalski]

This is merely a repeat of Bobby's last year at Inter, except that squad collapsed down the stretch to the Scudetto, and wasn't attempting to rally from 15 points behind.

Collapsed down the stretch?

They won 5 of their last 7 to win the league. 4 points on top going into April, finished 3 points on top.

He was talking about their conversion rate...only way to accurately judge a team these days. Points and wins are just so last year

 

[Petetheblu]

I'm a big mancini fan and I want him to stay, but if someone could have a word with him about some of the boring football my eyes have had to watch then I'd be happier. As for swapping mancini for someone better, I think some are deluding themselves as there's no one available who will guarantee better results.....apart from Jose, who looks like he'll possible end up at chelsea or psg.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

This style of management is almost UNIQUE, and for a very good reason - it has a corrosive effect upon the manager's relationship with not only the players targeted, but the squad and culture as a whole. This is merely a repeat of Bobby's last year at Inter, except that squad collapsed down the stretch to the Scudetto, and wasn't attempting to rally from 15 points behind. Bobby is proving once again that he is a great manager for 2-3 seasons, but things sour quickly once his expiration date is reached. For anyone who is at all familiar with American Basebell?? he is footy's analogue to MLB's legendary manager, Billy Martin (A's, Yankees). Martin would come into a new club, beat and whip and harangue his charges into shape, win titles, and then find himself with a squad that had simply become exhausted with him, despite great success. His excruciatingly public battles with players, opponents and even his own owner (think Reggie Jackson, George Steinbrenner) mesmerized American sports media, as managers/head coaches in American pro sports simply never dare to do what Martin did and Mancini does. Martin's career as a manager was marked by multiple short (but successful) stints. I think Bobby is cut from the same piece of cloth and will prove to have the same kind of managerial career that Martin did.

"Sometimes one reveals more in a post than one intends..."

 

[bondsman]

I'm just bemused as to what this alleged spat with kompany is? Has kompany said he is unhappy? For me I think he was out of order playing for Belgium when he had missed weeks for city if he had gotten injured again there would be out cry on here what was he allowed to play etc etc. nasri is obviously a mard arse was at arsenal is at city. Got fed up of him moaning that wenger never played him where he wanted to play, anyone who watches him in a city shirt can see that Mancini is right when he says he doesn't put it in fully.

 

[OB1]

You said he built the teams. I think you'll find he bought the players and Bob built the teams. Especially considering he only had a few months at best with some of them. My stretching it point actually relates to us not having one individual side that one the league or the cup for that matter.
I guess you could look at the Final and Final day teams and say it had some of his DNA but certainly not his teams.

Ooooh, let's all pick on each other's typographical errors.

Won really should be more careful.

 

[fbloke]

Khaldoon has been on the blower this morning.

Apparently they can't find a replacement for Roberto of a similar level of profile so they have asked me to look over a list of available candidates.

Bassett, Kinnear, Warnock.

Thoughts?