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Blue Heaven said:
smiles said:
His very public criticism of our players grates on me more and more, especially now it includes possibly the clubs best servant in VK, a pretty much perfect professional. When he first alienated players i understood it because he was the new guy trying to establish himself and his style on the team. Now i don't know why he'd publicly bash his own guys. I can't believe im saying this less than a year from him bringing us the title but i wouldn't be that bothered if he went. It's obvious big change is imminent now the barca boys are in charge, they're just waiting for the season to end. Lets hope these changes are for the best.

This style of management is almost UNIQUE, and for a very good reason - it has a corrosive effect upon the manager's relationship with not only the players targeted, but the squad and culture as a whole. This is merely a repeat of Bobby's last year at Inter, except that squad collapsed down the stretch to the Scudetto, and wasn't attempting to rally from 15 points behind. Bobby is proving once again that he is a great manager for 2-3 seasons, but things sour quickly once his expiration date is reached. For anyone who is at all familiar with American basebell, he is footy's analogue to MLB's legendary manager, Billy Martin (A's, Yankees). Martin would come into a new club, beat and whip and harangue his charges into shape, win titles, and then find himself with a squad that had simply become exhausted with him, despite great success. His excruciatingly public battles with players, opponents and even his own owner (think Reggie Jackson, George Steinbrenner) mesmerized American sports media, as managers/head coaches in American pro sports simply never dare to do what Martin did and Mancini does. Martin's career as a manager was marked by multiple short (but successful) stints. I think Bobby is cut from the same piece of cloth and will prove to have the same kind of managerial career that Martin did.


Interesting example and I might nick it for use elsewhere.

I do worry that Mancini is on a slippery slope as regards his relationship with his charges. If events ultimately prove otherwise, great. However, the concern is there for some of us.<br /><br />-- Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:31 am --<br /><br />
I'm no cynic said:
OB1 said:
Daz_Blue said:
If the reports are true and these reports are very dubious if you were given the choice of 1 person to leave would it be Mancini or Komps ?

Mourinho in for Mancini or Hummels in for Kompany ?


Mourinho.

It's not possible. Mourinho is a control freak and will refuse to be subservient to Txiki...the real manager... and he will want his own players, his own staff and his own playing style. All this talk of Barca style player development for the future will not wash with him. He is a cheque book manager and will be demanding instant success, not some pie-in-the-sky talk of years to come when we might, just might, have some kid come through who can get somewhere near the full squad. In other words, he is the exact opposite of the philosophy of what the club is aiming to achieve in it's own good time.



It may not be possible but so what? Daz asked a simple straight forward question and got a simple answer. It's about a preference no more , no less, IMO.
 
Blue Heaven said:
This is merely a repeat of Bobby's last year at Inter, except that squad collapsed down the stretch to the Scudetto, and wasn't attempting to rally from 15 points behind.

Collapsed down the stretch?

They won 5 of their last 7 to win the league. 4 points on top going into April, finished 3 points on top.
 
moomba said:
Blue Heaven said:
This is merely a repeat of Bobby's last year at Inter, except that squad collapsed down the stretch to the Scudetto, and wasn't attempting to rally from 15 points behind.

Collapsed down the stretch?

They won 5 of their last 7 to win the league. 4 points on top going into April, finished 3 points on top.

Head in hands moment there for blue heaven :)
 
moomba said:
Blue Heaven said:
This is merely a repeat of Bobby's last year at Inter, except that squad collapsed down the stretch to the Scudetto, and wasn't attempting to rally from 15 points behind.

Collapsed down the stretch?

They won 5 of their last 7 to win the league. 4 points on top going into April, finished 3 points on top.
That's not the point though is it.
 
moomba said:
Blue Heaven said:
This is merely a repeat of Bobby's last year at Inter, except that squad collapsed down the stretch to the Scudetto, and wasn't attempting to rally from 15 points behind.

Collapsed down the stretch?

They won 5 of their last 7 to win the league. 4 points on top going into April, finished 3 points on top.

He was talking about their conversion rate...only way to accurately judge a team these days. Points and wins are just so last year
 
I'm a big mancini fan and I want him to stay, but if someone could have a word with him about some of the boring football my eyes have had to watch then I'd be happier. As for swapping mancini for someone better, I think some are deluding themselves as there's no one available who will guarantee better results.....apart from Jose, who looks like he'll possible end up at chelsea or psg.
 
Blue Heaven said:
This style of management is almost UNIQUE, and for a very good reason - it has a corrosive effect upon the manager's relationship with not only the players targeted, but the squad and culture as a whole. This is merely a repeat of Bobby's last year at Inter, except that squad collapsed down the stretch to the Scudetto, and wasn't attempting to rally from 15 points behind. Bobby is proving once again that he is a great manager for 2-3 seasons, but things sour quickly once his expiration date is reached. For anyone who is at all familiar with American Basebell?? he is footy's analogue to MLB's legendary manager, Billy Martin (A's, Yankees). Martin would come into a new club, beat and whip and harangue his charges into shape, win titles, and then find himself with a squad that had simply become exhausted with him, despite great success. His excruciatingly public battles with players, opponents and even his own owner (think Reggie Jackson, George Steinbrenner) mesmerized American sports media, as managers/head coaches in American pro sports simply never dare to do what Martin did and Mancini does. Martin's career as a manager was marked by multiple short (but successful) stints. I think Bobby is cut from the same piece of cloth and will prove to have the same kind of managerial career that Martin did.
"Sometimes one reveals more in a post than one intends..."
 
I'm just bemused as to what this alleged spat with kompany is? Has kompany said he is unhappy? For me I think he was out of order playing for Belgium when he had missed weeks for city if he had gotten injured again there would be out cry on here what was he allowed to play etc etc. nasri is obviously a mard arse was at arsenal is at city. Got fed up of him moaning that wenger never played him where he wanted to play, anyone who watches him in a city shirt can see that Mancini is right when he says he doesn't put it in fully.
 
Gaylord du Bois said:
You said he built the teams. I think you'll find he bought the players and Bob built the teams. Especially considering he only had a few months at best with some of them. My stretching it point actually relates to us not having one individual side that one the league or the cup for that matter.
I guess you could look at the Final and Final day teams and say it had some of his DNA but certainly not his teams.


Ooooh, let's all pick on each other's typographical errors.

Won really should be more careful.
 
Khaldoon has been on the blower this morning.

Apparently they can't find a replacement for Roberto of a similar level of profile so they have asked me to look over a list of available candidates.

Bassett, Kinnear, Warnock.

Thoughts?
 
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