Mancini

[lancs blue]

Another one from The Mirror:


By Mirror.co.uk
7 Apr 2013 00:00

Sergio Aguero accused of snubbing young son and reneging on child support deal

The estranged wife of the Man City striker said she received an angry call from the star after she was pictured hugging a nightclub owner


The estranged wife of Man City striker Sergio Aguero has accused him of snubbing their young son and reneging on a child support deal after seeing pictures of her with ­another man.

Giannina, daughter of Diego Maradona, said she received an angry call from the £200,000-a-week star after she was pictured hugging a nightclub owner.

She said: “Sergio had a go at me over that photo. I told him I didn’t have to give him any explanations. He decided he didn’t want to sign what we’d agreed – things like visitation rights and child support.”

Giannina, 23, said the Argentine star, 24, did not acknowledge her or their four-year-old son, Ben, on a flight to Buenos Aires.

She denied she had blocked access after he started dating pop star Karina Tejeda, adding: “All I know is the last time he was in Argentina he didn’t see his son. You’ll have to ask him why.”

Ah thats more like it...classic stuff. Rammy was right I should have waited

FFS, what would they have come up with if we were level with the rags?? Desperate stuff.

 

[Andouble]

I don't think the "win or your out" headlines are too far out of line; yes of course they are extreme and only Roman and some managers in Serie A would sack a man for one result, but I definitely think Monday and Sunday have huge bearing on Mancini's future.

If you lose both and finish the season trophyless and nearly 20 points back of retaining your title, I see no way back for Mancini and deservedly so.

You can blame Marwood for last summer all you want but for me things like being "unlucky with injury" is not an excuse as the rags were down to bare bones last season and we were the healthiest club in the league by a wide, wide margin and still just scraped it.

Also publicly insulting all your players has worn a bit thin with me, personally.

My best case scenario would be to lift the FA Cup and a huge job opening in Italy that he wants, he leaves us with a trophy and an amicable split with 3 trophies in the cupboard and we go in a new direction. Everybody wins.

Bollox.

even the rags don't win something every season after decades of big spending and it certainly wasn't instant constant success as some on here seem to feel entitled all of a sudden

the medja want to set us up for a fall is all and lots of them prowl on here

most of us Blues have far more patience than that thank fuck

I don't support sacking a manager for not winning a trophy. That's utterly ridiculous.

To finish 20 points adrift should no longer be acceptable for any City manager from now on, whether its Mancini, Guardiola or Tony fuckin Pulis. Our standards are too high for it to be acceptable.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

can't see why Sheikh himself would request a meeting unless there were concerns that needed talking about.

I think either Mancini is having a really good end of season or there's going to be more than just a talk.

We've learnt apart from the end of season meeting that Sheikhy doesn't get involved, so something's up.

The fact that it was in Abu Dhabi would suggest it was adjourned suddenly by Mancini. If it was any kind of message from Abu Dhabi they wouldn't summon him there. Khaldoon would come over or it would be done by txiki and soriano.

It's interesting and various different conclusions could be drawn.

 

[morganporny]

(heart) Mancini

FU Haters

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

can't see why Sheikh himself would request a meeting unless there were concerns that needed talking about.

I think either Mancini is having a really good end of season or there's going to be more than just a talk.

We've learnt apart from the end of season meeting that Sheikhy doesn't get involved, so something's up.

The fact that it was in Abu Dhabi would suggest it was adjourned suddenly by Mancini. If it was any kind of message from Abu Dhabi they wouldn't summon him there. Khaldoon would come over or it would be done by txiki and soriano.

It's interesting and various different conclusions could be drawn.

not sure about that, nothing like making an informed decision after talking face to face.

I'd trust the Sheikh to be a sensible enough man that if he had concerns or issues he wanted to talk to Mancini about that he'd do it face to face.

What's more if it's anything to do with the recent events with Vinnie and Nasri then perhaps a wider context on how to deal with press is involved and maybe they feel the only way to sort it is to go to Roberto directly, maybe it is causing ripples in Abu Dhabi I don't know.

I think it would have to be something pretty damn important/desperate for Roberto to get his way and get a meeting in Abu Dhabi, that's where I'd expect Khaldoon and Ferran to be stepping in.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

can't see why Sheikh himself would request a meeting unless there were concerns that needed talking about.

I think either Mancini is having a really good end of season or there's going to be more than just a talk.

We've learnt apart from the end of season meeting that Sheikhy doesn't get involved, so something's up.

The fact that it was in Abu Dhabi would suggest it was adjourned suddenly by Mancini. If it was any kind of message from Abu Dhabi they wouldn't summon him there. Khaldoon would come over or it would be done by txiki and soriano.

It's interesting and various different conclusions could be drawn.

not sure about that, nothing like making an informed decision after talking face to face.

I'd trust the Sheikh to be a sensible enough man that if he had concerns or issues he wanted to talk to Mancini about that he'd do it face to face.

What's more if it's anything to do with the recent events with Vinnie and Nasri then perhaps a wider context on how to deal with press is involved and maybe they feel the only way to sort it is to go to Roberto directly, maybe it is causing ripples in Abu Dhabi I don't know.

I think it would have to be something pretty damn important/desperate for Roberto to get his way and get a meeting in Abu Dhabi, that's where I'd expect Khaldoon and Ferran to be stepping in.

I agree with you that I can see Abu Dhabi showing manners about any kind of serious discussion. And I agree of course that would be face to face.

But I think it would be better manners for khaldoon to come over to the uk. He is a very busy man, though, so if Mancini wanted a quick meeting I can see the Only way it happening is over there. Unless the big cheese wanted involvement but that would surely signal something odd as he hasn't got involved mid season before.

Maybe the sheikh has been whispering sweet nothings and showing him his summer wonga...;-)

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

The fact that it was in Abu Dhabi would suggest it was adjourned suddenly by Mancini. If it was any kind of message from Abu Dhabi they wouldn't summon him there. Khaldoon would come over or it would be done by txiki and soriano.

It's interesting and various different conclusions could be drawn.

not sure about that, nothing like making an informed decision after talking face to face.

I'd trust the Sheikh to be a sensible enough man that if he had concerns or issues he wanted to talk to Mancini about that he'd do it face to face.

What's more if it's anything to do with the recent events with Vinnie and Nasri then perhaps a wider context on how to deal with press is involved and maybe they feel the only way to sort it is to go to Roberto directly, maybe it is causing ripples in Abu Dhabi I don't know.

I think it would have to be something pretty damn important/desperate for Roberto to get his way and get a meeting in Abu Dhabi, that's where I'd expect Khaldoon and Ferran to be stepping in.

I agree with you that I can see Abu Dhabi showing manners about any kind of serious discussion. And I agree of course that would be face to face.

But I think it would be better manners for khaldoon to come over to the uk. He is a very busy man, though, so if Mancini wanted a quick meeting I can see the Only way it happening is over there. Unless the big cheese wanted involvement but that would surely signal something odd as he hasn't got involved mid season before.

Maybe the sheikh has been whispering sweet nothings and showing him his summer wonga...;-)

Maybe they learnt from last summer and to stop Mancini going to the media are telling him at the same time to politely shush but Sheikh really wants to understand from the horse's mouth what Mancini wants and therefore there's a better level of communication throughout the chain so Txiki can go off straight away and get a list done which everyone will be content with and therefore we can crack on with early business with targets we actually want? Being really proactive and showing we've learnt from last summer and are going to get our business done to prevent this season happening again.

It would certainly be a show of faith if that's the track and it's certainly possible. A serious chat between Sheikh and Roberto could really develop an understanding and plan for the way forward so it's a possible outcome, though obviously I think people are going to be leaning towards it not being as positive(whatever your stance) but I somehow don't get why the chat would lead to Mancini leaving in the summer one way or the other as that would shooting ourselves in the foot before our biggest week of the season so far, because someone's going to get a leak from somewhere, it always happens.

 

[LoveCity]

Anyone seen Neville's new article? The usual Red arse kissing but he makes some good points and is quite complimentary. His point is we don't need to keep throwing money at our problems every year (of course there will be big signings here and there...) but build solid foundation including British players. I don't agree with it all but we need to focus on the team/system aspect more than spending fortunes. A fully developed team/system with an 9/10 player standard is better than a basic team focused on individual quality with a 10/10 player standard IMO. Because the system and cohesion pushes the players to another level... just look at what Ferguson has gotten out of some very mediocre players over the years. I don't even think we're far behind a team like Bayern when it comes to individual quality (we have better central defenders and strikers, they have one better wing-back and better midfield/wingers) but their teamwork, tactics, workrate, and fluidity as a unit is light years ahead of ours.

City must not think that spending 'just another' £150m will catch United
By Gary Neville
PUBLISHED: 23:30, 6 April 2013 | UPDATED: 23:30, 6 April 2013

'Manchester City are on the verge of power shift in the city and the Premier League,’ said one report. ‘Balance of power takes critical shift,’ read another headline. ‘City’s dramatic crowning as champions yesterday represents a serious power shift in the game — unless United’s owners come up with the funds for Alex Ferguson to rebuild,’ said another pundit.

But that was 10 months ago. I often like to reflect on headlines that were written in those moments. If I heard the phrase ‘power shift’ once, I heard it a thousand times. There was a real sense from lots of people at the end of last season that Manchester United might struggle to keep up with the money that City had and that there was an opportunity for them to dominate for years to come. United were described as an ageing team with nowhere to go, a team without a midfield.

People who went down that route fundamentally misunderstand United and Sir Alex Ferguson as a person. Think of 1995 and losing the league to Blackburn and the FA Cup to Everton; think of 1998 and the Arsenal Double; think of Arsenal’s 2004 Invincibles; think of Jose Mourinho’s Chelsea in 2005 and 2006. Sir Alex Ferguson has shown time and time again that it is responding to disappointment that energises him.

There may have been some setbacks this season, such as last week’s defeat by Chelsea in the FA Cup or going out to Real Madrid in the Champions League. But think about where United are now — about to clinch the league by mid-April having rampaged through the season — and you can add some perspective to those hasty judgments last May.

It is not just that United go into the derby — one that was anticipated as a title decider — 15 points clear. Look at their playing staff: They have David de Gea, Phil Jones, Jonny Evans, Rafael, Chris Smalling, Tom Cleverley, Danny Welbeck, Shinji Kagawa, Chicharito, Anderson, Nani. Immediately after losing the title last May, Sir Alex Ferguson congratulated City but added: ‘I know my young players will learn from this and be lifting titles in years to come.’

When you think about the vitality and stability that group represent, you can understand why he was confident. Then add in the experience of Nemanja Vidic, Rio Ferdinand, Michael Carrick, Wayne Rooney, Robin van Persie, Ryan Giggs and Patrice Evra. They’re a club with a healthy future.

As for City, they still have the potential to challenge and build next season. But you can sense the tension there has been at times this season with key players, and manager Roberto Mancini has been critical of the likes of Joe Hart, Vincent Kompany and Samir Nasri on occasion. If a week can feel like a long time in football, 10 months can feel like an epoch.

The easy route out to explain what has happened this season is to pin the title race on one man: Van Persie. It’s comfortable for the manager to point towards that as the decisive blow and thereby blame his directors for not managing to persuade the striker to sign for City rather than United.

It is true Van Persie had a huge impact in the first part of the season and kept United going when their form wasn’t great. That built the foundation for the margin of victory we’re seeing now. But, to me, there has been more to City’s fall this season than the failure to sign Van Persie or the fact that most of their signings — Scott Sinclair, Javi Garcia, Maicon and Jack Rodwell — haven’t made an impact. City still spent £54million last summer and United spent £48m, so they should be a lot closer to United at this stage.

Complaining about the signings is not only too easy an option for Roberto Mancini, I think it has been a misjudgment. His clear frustration as to what was achieved in the summer demoralises a dressing room, especially players who have been signed, but also established players who may feel vulnerable.

I’ve watched City a lot this season and there has been a lack of creativity and pace. At times they’ve seemed disillusioned when there has been a change of tactical systems. Last season there was a refreshing unpredictability about them, with Samir Nasri and David Silva behind Sergio Aguero and Mario Balotelli. And they had power driving them on in Yaya Toure and a fully-fit Vincent Kompany.

I think the feeling among the players last May may have been: ‘Thank goodness! We’ve climbed the mountain! We did it!’ But you have to learn to be serial winners and United have done that over the years. Win or lose, the train doesn’t stop. You have to keep going. Instilling that relentlessness into his players over the years has been Sir Alex Ferguson’s greatest feat.

It’s not a huge gap that City have to make up but they do have to lift their mentality to that next level. We should show some caution when assessing City, just as some of those commentators might have done last May when writing about United. Nothing is ever as bad as it seems and nothing is ever as good as it appears.

We should not forget that the 2011 FA Cup and last year’s title were City’s first trophies for 35 years. A few years ago a semi-final would have been a huge cause for celebration. It may be a drop from last year’s standards but it is still a big step forward from where they were when Roberto Mancini arrived at the club.

And I don’t see how Champions League failure can be held against the manager. I believe any of the English clubs would have been knocked out of that group which had Real Madrid at their peak, Borussia Dortmund, clearly one of the top sides in Europe, and a very good Ajax team. None of Manchester United, Arsenal and Chelsea were in particularly good form in the autumn and all would have struggled to qualify against those teams.

So now we will see what City’s new director of football, Txiki Begiristain, and the chief executive, Ferran Soriano, are about. Can they keep their fingers off the trigger? Or will they feel the need to change? The FA Cup semi-final next weekend against Chelsea now becomes a huge tie for the club and the future of Roberto Mancini, though it isn’t to my liking that he would come under pressure. I would always tend towards continuity, especially with a manager who has won the FA Cup and the Premier League.

City are building a magnificent new academy near the Etihad Stadium. All the noises coming out of the club are that they wish to construct a long-term sustainable model. Last summer’s signing of younger players with potential underlined that they are committed to that. Now comes the test.

I don’t believe you can build a long-term future for a club unless you have a core of players who are clearly committed, many of whom are likely to be British, with at least two or three having come through the youth team. That means they won’t want to leave when they get homesick or a major Latin side come in for them. These will be your dependable players around whom you can develop an ethos, the ones who can give the club soul and heart. At City, at the moment, I’d start with Joe Hart, Vincent Kompany, Pablo Zabaleta, James Milner and Gareth Barry then try to add some of the best British players around that.

The temptation now would be to think they have to spend another £150m to redress the balance or to sack the manager to bring about changes. But that way is addictive; just look at Chelsea. You continually need to spend ‘just another’ £150m to keep up, or to sack ‘just one more’ manager to effect change. If City’s aim is to be truly great, they should match their rhetoric about building a long-term future and stick to the philosophy they now espouse.

 

[halpo123]

where have all the clever cnuts come from ?none of you know jack shit ,pure speculation rumour and made up shit to suit your agendas.I go the match and love City i come on here and despair.Worse than fucking utd some of you Finished with the place
Cheers Ric for many an enjoyable hour on your forum but the likes of duds bury (iPhone predictive ironically )raise my blood pressure too high
Match and the national press for me from here on The Agendas less prominent in the sun

 

[Blue Haze]

I don't understand the obsession with British players. Let's just get the best players we can get regardless of nationality. Pablo and Vinny are as blue as it gets. The Sheikh could have bought a major club with the amount he's spent on crap British players.