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Not sure how many times those that are keen to see RM gone unconditionally , conditionally , stay unconditionally , conditionally , or have no qualms either way can rehash the same spiel and apologies to those who haven't posted yet and want to (LOL).

Like everybody on this forum I have no idea what those responsible for RM's tenure are thinking but my gut feel is he will be given another season to improve on Chumps League results.
 
Yaya_Tony said:
Andouble said:
Balti said:
Bollox.

even the rags don't win something every season after decades of big spending and it certainly wasn't instant constant success as some on here seem to feel entitled all of a sudden

the medja want to set us up for a fall is all and lots of them prowl on here

most of us Blues have far more patience than that thank fuck

I don't support sacking a manager for not winning a trophy. That's utterly ridiculous.

To finish 20 points adrift should no longer be acceptable for any City manager from now on, whether its Mancini, Guardiola or Tony fuckin Pulis. Our standards are too high for it to be acceptable.
Where the fuck did this sense of entitlement come from? Shit happens, this season has been especially testing, the scum are on course to break records this season.

Not acceptable ffs, what a load of shite. It is what it is, we'll still be up there for the next few years, for my money Mancini will be leading the charge.

-- Sun Apr 07, 2013 1:39 am --

It's football, sport, nothing can be guaranteed, better that way too.

It's not a good return on investment.
 
Andouble said:
Yaya_Tony said:
Andouble said:
I don't support sacking a manager for not winning a trophy. That's utterly ridiculous.

To finish 20 points adrift should no longer be acceptable for any City manager from now on, whether its Mancini, Guardiola or Tony fuckin Pulis. Our standards are too high for it to be acceptable.
Where the fuck did this sense of entitlement come from? Shit happens, this season has been especially testing, the scum are on course to break records this season.

Not acceptable ffs, what a load of shite. It is what it is, we'll still be up there for the next few years, for my money Mancini will be leading the charge.

-- Sun Apr 07, 2013 1:39 am --

It's football, sport, nothing can be guaranteed, better that way too.

It's not a good return on investment.

Failing on your targets in a given season doesn't necessarily mean a change of manager is the best option.

Sometimes you have to look at the bigger picture.

Under the current regime we want the side to be challenging for silverware as often as is possible.

Sometimes we will fall short.

It happens , its sport , its not an exact science.
 
lancs blue said:
BobKowalski said:
Roosty said:
Another one from The Mirror:


By Mirror.co.uk
7 Apr 2013 00:00

Sergio Aguero accused of snubbing young son and reneging on child support deal

The estranged wife of the Man City striker said she received an angry call from the star after she was pictured hugging a nightclub owner


The estranged wife of Man City striker Sergio Aguero has accused him of snubbing their young son and reneging on a child support deal after seeing pictures of her with ­another man.

Giannina, daughter of Diego Maradona, said she received an angry call from the £200,000-a-week star after she was pictured hugging a nightclub owner.

She said: “Sergio had a go at me over that photo. I told him I didn’t have to give him any explanations. He decided he didn’t want to sign what we’d agreed – things like visitation rights and child support.”

Giannina, 23, said the Argentine star, 24, did not acknowledge her or their four-year-old son, Ben, on a flight to Buenos Aires.

She denied she had blocked access after he started dating pop star Karina Tejeda, adding: “All I know is the last time he was in Argentina he didn’t see his son. You’ll have to ask him why.”

Ah thats more like it...classic stuff. Rammy was right I should have waited

FFS, what would they have come up with if we were level with the rags?? Desperate stuff.

Yup, genuinely dire stuff. The mere idea that the daughter of one of the richest men in Argentina should require child support in the first place, is a lame enough premise on which to try and hang a story, but allegedly blanking his son into the bargain?! Pathetic journalism even by the Mirror's standards<br /><br />-- Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:55 am --<br /><br />
JoeMercer'sWay said:
halpo123 said:
where have all the clever cnuts come from ?none of you know jack shit ,pure speculation rumour and made up shit to suit your agendas.I go the match and love City i come on here and despair.Worse than fucking utd some of you Finished with the place
Cheers Ric for many an enjoyable hour on your forum but the likes of duds bury (iPhone predictive ironically )raise my blood pressure too high
Match and the national press for me from here on The Agendas less prominent in the sun

don't let the door hit you on the arse on the way out.

Yup, bye
 
LoveCity said:
Anyone seen Neville's new article? The usual Red arse kissing but he makes some good points and is quite complimentary. His point is we don't need to keep throwing money at our problems every year (of course there will be big signings here and there...) but build solid foundation including British players. I don't agree with it all but we need to focus on the team/system aspect more than spending fortunes. A fully developed team/system with an 9/10 player standard is better than a basic team focused on individual quality with a 10/10 player standard IMO. Because the system and cohesion pushes the players to another level... just look at what Ferguson has gotten out of some very mediocre players over the years. I don't even think we're far behind a team like Bayern when it comes to individual quality (we have better central defenders and strikers, they have one better wing-back and better midfield/wingers) but their teamwork, tactics, workrate, and fluidity as a unit is light years ahead of ours.

City must not think that spending 'just another' £150m will catch United
By Gary Neville
PUBLISHED: 23:30, 6 April 2013 | UPDATED: 23:30, 6 April 2013


'Manchester City are on the verge of power shift in the city and the Premier League,’ said one report. ‘Balance of power takes critical shift,’ read another headline. ‘City’s dramatic crowning as champions yesterday represents a serious power shift in the game — unless United’s owners come up with the funds for Alex Ferguson to rebuild,’ said another pundit.

But that was 10 months ago. I often like to reflect on headlines that were written in those moments. If I heard the phrase ‘power shift’ once, I heard it a thousand times. There was a real sense from lots of people at the end of last season that Manchester United might struggle to keep up with the money that City had and that there was an opportunity for them to dominate for years to come. United were described as an ageing team with nowhere to go, a team without a midfield.

People who went down that route fundamentally misunderstand United and Sir Alex Ferguson as a person. Think of 1995 and losing the league to Blackburn and the FA Cup to Everton; think of 1998 and the Arsenal Double; think of Arsenal’s 2004 Invincibles; think of Jose Mourinho’s Chelsea in 2005 and 2006. Sir Alex Ferguson has shown time and time again that it is responding to disappointment that energises him.

There may have been some setbacks this season, such as last week’s defeat by Chelsea in the FA Cup or going out to Real Madrid in the Champions League. But think about where United are now — about to clinch the league by mid-April having rampaged through the season — and you can add some perspective to those hasty judgments last May.

It is not just that United go into the derby — one that was anticipated as a title decider — 15 points clear. Look at their playing staff: They have David de Gea, Phil Jones, Jonny Evans, Rafael, Chris Smalling, Tom Cleverley, Danny Welbeck, Shinji Kagawa, Chicharito, Anderson, Nani. Immediately after losing the title last May, Sir Alex Ferguson congratulated City but added: ‘I know my young players will learn from this and be lifting titles in years to come.’

When you think about the vitality and stability that group represent, you can understand why he was confident. Then add in the experience of Nemanja Vidic, Rio Ferdinand, Michael Carrick, Wayne Rooney, Robin van Persie, Ryan Giggs and Patrice Evra. They’re a club with a healthy future.

As for City, they still have the potential to challenge and build next season. But you can sense the tension there has been at times this season with key players, and manager Roberto Mancini has been critical of the likes of Joe Hart, Vincent Kompany and Samir Nasri on occasion. If a week can feel like a long time in football, 10 months can feel like an epoch.

The easy route out to explain what has happened this season is to pin the title race on one man: Van Persie. It’s comfortable for the manager to point towards that as the decisive blow and thereby blame his directors for not managing to persuade the striker to sign for City rather than United.

It is true Van Persie had a huge impact in the first part of the season and kept United going when their form wasn’t great. That built the foundation for the margin of victory we’re seeing now. But, to me, there has been more to City’s fall this season than the failure to sign Van Persie or the fact that most of their signings — Scott Sinclair, Javi Garcia, Maicon and Jack Rodwell — haven’t made an impact. City still spent £54million last summer and United spent £48m, so they should be a lot closer to United at this stage.

Complaining about the signings is not only too easy an option for Roberto Mancini, I think it has been a misjudgment. His clear frustration as to what was achieved in the summer demoralises a dressing room, especially players who have been signed, but also established players who may feel vulnerable.

I’ve watched City a lot this season and there has been a lack of creativity and pace. At times they’ve seemed disillusioned when there has been a change of tactical systems. Last season there was a refreshing unpredictability about them, with Samir Nasri and David Silva behind Sergio Aguero and Mario Balotelli. And they had power driving them on in Yaya Toure and a fully-fit Vincent Kompany.

I think the feeling among the players last May may have been: ‘Thank goodness! We’ve climbed the mountain! We did it!’ But you have to learn to be serial winners and United have done that over the years. Win or lose, the train doesn’t stop. You have to keep going. Instilling that relentlessness into his players over the years has been Sir Alex Ferguson’s greatest feat.

It’s not a huge gap that City have to make up but they do have to lift their mentality to that next level. We should show some caution when assessing City, just as some of those commentators might have done last May when writing about United. Nothing is ever as bad as it seems and nothing is ever as good as it appears.

We should not forget that the 2011 FA Cup and last year’s title were City’s first trophies for 35 years. A few years ago a semi-final would have been a huge cause for celebration. It may be a drop from last year’s standards but it is still a big step forward from where they were when Roberto Mancini arrived at the club.

And I don’t see how Champions League failure can be held against the manager. I believe any of the English clubs would have been knocked out of that group which had Real Madrid at their peak, Borussia Dortmund, clearly one of the top sides in Europe, and a very good Ajax team. None of Manchester United, Arsenal and Chelsea were in particularly good form in the autumn and all would have struggled to qualify against those teams.

So now we will see what City’s new director of football, Txiki Begiristain, and the chief executive, Ferran Soriano, are about. Can they keep their fingers off the trigger? Or will they feel the need to change? The FA Cup semi-final next weekend against Chelsea now becomes a huge tie for the club and the future of Roberto Mancini, though it isn’t to my liking that he would come under pressure. I would always tend towards continuity, especially with a manager who has won the FA Cup and the Premier League.

City are building a magnificent new academy near the Etihad Stadium. All the noises coming out of the club are that they wish to construct a long-term sustainable model. Last summer’s signing of younger players with potential underlined that they are committed to that. Now comes the test.

I don’t believe you can build a long-term future for a club unless you have a core of players who are clearly committed, many of whom are likely to be British, with at least two or three having come through the youth team. That means they won’t want to leave when they get homesick or a major Latin side come in for them. These will be your dependable players around whom you can develop an ethos, the ones who can give the club soul and heart. At City, at the moment, I’d start with Joe Hart, Vincent Kompany, Pablo Zabaleta, James Milner and Gareth Barry then try to add some of the best British players around that.

The temptation now would be to think they have to spend another £150m to redress the balance or to sack the manager to bring about changes. But that way is addictive; just look at Chelsea. You continually need to spend ‘just another’ £150m to keep up, or to sack ‘just one more’ manager to effect change. If City’s aim is to be truly great, they should match their rhetoric about building a long-term future and stick to the philosophy they now espouse.

He makes a lot of very valid points, but I would still baulk at the idea that the rags success this season is due to anything other than what we did the year before.......ie spend money. They shelled out the better part of £50m on van persie and kagawa, plus another £50m on wages. The fact that, Nastasic aside, we spent badly, doesn't change that fact.
 
We do not need to spend £150m. We do not need major surgery.

The core of our first team (Hart, Kompany, Yaya, Silva & Aguero) is exceptionally strong. Zabaleta and Clichy do not need to be replaced. Nastasic is a top prospect and a fine player already. There is a case for replacing Tevez, but not on footballing grounds alone.

We could do with two quality additions to the first team. A wide player with pace to replace Nasri. A top quality midfielder to partner Yaya. But thats all that's necessary as far as our strongest line up is concerned.

Clearly we need to strengthen the overall squad. Some players such as Dzeko & Nasri will probably move on and need to be replaced. But the outgoings will bring in decent money. We also have the Balotelli money. We have expensive mplayers coming off of the wage bill.

It should be possible to address our weaknesses without a major re-vamp or at a huge net cost.
 
I see Dave and Billy have had the misfortune of attracting those from the cellar again that spend so much time slapping each other on the backs and having shits and giggles, proclaiming that they will never venture upstairs again!

Poor little lost souls......

On Bob, its not a question of how much money is needed to fix the problems we have with the squad, the question is do we trust him to recognise the problems in the first place?
 
blueinsa said:
I see Dave and Billy have had the misfortune of attracting those from the cellar again that spend so much time slapping each other on the backs and having shits and giggles, proclaiming that they will never venture upstairs again!
I do find it very strange how none of these people have names. I've asked Didsbury Dave to name the bottom feeders as he calls them and he won't. Perhaps I'll have better luck with you?
 
Just to move away from Mancini a bit but I think it's relevant to this thread, a couple of the papers this morning are speculating that Mourinho may be bound for PSG rather than Chelsea. Not sure what Danamy thinks about this (not seen him post for a week or two), but whether Mancini stays or not, I'd be far happier if Jose doesn't pitch up at Stamford Bridge; Chelsea would be a far more formidable force under his management, IMO.
 
petrusha said:
Just to move away from Mancini a bit but I think it's relevant to this thread, a couple of the papers this morning are speculating that Mourinho may be bound for PSG rather than Chelsea. Not sure what Danamy thinks about this (not seen him post for a week or two), but whether Mancini stays or not, I'd be far happier if Jose doesn't pitch up at Stamford Bridge; Chelsea would be a far more formidable force under his management, IMO.
I could live with Ancellotti.
 
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