Mancini

[OB1]

Does ANY journalist get it right 100% of the time? As someone who runs a City news related thingy, I keep an eye on Di Marzio and his accuracy rate is incredible. He is not like the hacks in this country and has a positive reputation. The guy is genuine ITK and has contacts with clubs and agents all over the place. He doesn't bullshit, if he hears something it's usually legit information. His coverage of Mario to Milan was so detailed that I expected to read when Mario had gone to the toilet. When people on here were still in their usual "It's all rag media talk, Mario is going nowhere!" mode, Di Marzio was reporting fine details of the negotiations.

Pretty amazing how highly you rate this guy LC. Never seen you give a journalist the big up like that before, and I have to confess I'd never heard of him until your post.

It's only a small comment but to be honest it's not surprising. It's hard to envisage how anyone could think there won't at the very least be some danger of Mancini losing his job this summer. The Pellegrini link just won't go away either.

I did follow him for a bit on Twitter but stopped; probably because his tweets were in Italian. I know I started to follow because he had a good reputation; mind you, might have picked that up a City Watch tweet. He's back on the follow list though.

 

[BobKowalski]

People can dismiss The Sun and the like easily but Gianluca Di Marzio (Sky Italy) is the most reliable journalist in Europe that I've been aware of. Maicon to City, Sneijder to Galatasaray, Mario to Milan, Nastasic to City... he has been first to break every detail of deals like this right down to when they have flown out of the country.

And just posted that Mancini is in danger of losing his job with Pellegrini a possible replacement. Also says Luis Garcia could be the man taking over from Mourinho at Real.

<a class="postlink" href="http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gianlucadimarzio.com%2Fcalciomercato%2Fmancini-il-city-perplesso-sulla-conferma-piace-pellegrini-e-il-real%2F" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... il-real%2F</a>

Does this bloke get it right 100 % of the time ?? Probably not.

Does ANY journalist get it right 100% of the time? As someone who runs a City news related thingy, I keep an eye on Di Marzio and his accuracy rate is incredible. He is not like the hacks in this country and has a positive reputation. The guy is genuine ITK and has contacts with clubs and agents all over the place. He doesn't bullshit, if he hears something it's usually legit information. His coverage of Mario to Milan was so detailed that I expected to read when Mario had gone to the toilet. When people on here were still in their usual "It's all rag media talk, Mario is going nowhere!" mode, Di Marzio was reporting fine details of the negotiations.

Edit: Incidentally, he doesn't say Mancini IS getting sacked, only that he is at risk of it.

Mancini will always be at risk of the sack if the top prizes are not won at season end. It will apply to his eventual successor and indeed most coaches at any top tier club so I don't read too much into what he says although I do agree with you on his accuracy.

The link I am looking to see surface is Mancini to Roma. Can see that being a strong possibility if the Txiki/Roberto partnership is deemed unworkable which for me is still the biggest factor in whether Mancini stays or goes.

 

[Anonymous]

I kind of talked and read myself into wanting DeBoer more than Pellegrini now.

I know what you mean. This is a really fantastic read for anyone who's interested in De Boer.

<a class="postlink" href="http://jouracule.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/the-evolution-of-frank-de-boer_12.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://jouracule.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12 ... er_12.html</a>

But to be honest MP certainly isn't someone who I'd fear is going to take us two steps backwards. He's shown what he can do in the CL, and in La Liga, with decent teams. Be a brave move by Txiki and co considering how popular Mancini is but I guess that's why they get paid the big bucks.

 

[samharris]

People can dismiss The Sun and the like easily but Gianluca Di Marzio (Sky Italy) is the most reliable journalist in Europe that I've been aware of. Maicon to City, Sneijder to Galatasaray, Mario to Milan, Nastasic to City... he has been first to break every detail of deals like this right down to when they have flown out of the country.

And just posted that Mancini is in danger of losing his job with Pellegrini a possible replacement. Also says Luis Garcia could be the man taking over from Mourinho at Real.

<a class="postlink" href="http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gianlucadimarzio.com%2Fcalciomercato%2Fmancini-il-city-perplesso-sulla-conferma-piace-pellegrini-e-il-real%2F" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... il-real%2F</a>

Does this bloke get it right 100 % of the time ?? Probably not.

Does ANY journalist get it right 100% of the time? As someone who runs a City news related thingy, I keep an eye on Di Marzio and his accuracy rate is incredible. He is not like the hacks in this country and has a positive reputation. The guy is genuine ITK and has contacts with clubs and agents all over the place. He doesn't bullshit, if he hears something it's usually legit information. His coverage of Mario to Milan was so detailed that I expected to read when Mario had gone to the toilet. When people on here were still in their usual "It's all rag media talk, Mario is going nowhere!" mode, Di Marzio was reporting fine details of the negotiations.

Edit: Incidentally, he doesn't say Mancini IS getting sacked, only that he is at risk of it.

Tbh you could say that about any manager.

 

[NipHolmes]

I kind of talked and read myself into wanting DeBoer more than Pellegrini now.

I know what you mean. This is a really fantastic read for anyone who's interested in De Boer.

<a class="postlink" href="http://jouracule.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/the-evolution-of-frank-de-boer_12.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://jouracule.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12 ... er_12.html</a>

But to be honest MP certainly isn't someone who I'd fear is going to take us two steps backwards. He's shown what he can do in the CL, and in La Liga, with decent teams. Be a brave move by Txiki and co considering how popular Mancini is but I guess that's why they get paid the big bucks.

;)

Good find.

 

[FantasyIreland]

Be a brave move by Txiki and co considering how popular Mancini is but I guess that's why they get paid the big bucks.

Yep,his remit isn't to make friends(although he will do if he gets the appointment right)it's to make us the best.

 

[samharris]

Well whoever comes in nip(if bobby goes) has to deliver straight away
Can only be a title & out of the groups or he's fucking toast on here :)

The inners will be outers... I wonder what its like on that side of the fence ??

It's blue first and foremost, not red like some of the inners have said.

Also everyone seems at peace and happy, we are clear in our thoughts and we wants what is best for the club.

Also the mushrooms on the grass are actually bubblegum and you can drink the water and it'll get you drunk. I discovered why, Jose is at the water filtration system and his magic is turning water into wine! ;)

Of course its Blue wouldnt think owt else,just that Blue could also mean depressed or sad ;)

 

[NipHolmes]

The inners will be outers... I wonder what its like on that side of the fence ??

It's blue first and foremost, not red like some of the inners have said.

Also everyone seems at peace and happy, we are clear in our thoughts and we wants what is best for the club.

Also the mushrooms on the grass are actually bubblegum and you can drink the water and it'll get you drunk. I discovered why, Jose is at the water filtration system and his magic is turning water into wine! ;)

Of course its Blue wouldnt think owt else,just that Blue could also mean depressed or sad ;)

Brilliant.

It's this colour , no doubt about it ;)

 

[BobKowalski]

I kind of talked and read myself into wanting DeBoer more than Pellegrini now.

I know what you mean. This is a really fantastic read for anyone who's interested in De Boer.

<a class="postlink" href="http://jouracule.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/the-evolution-of-frank-de-boer_12.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://jouracule.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12 ... er_12.html</a>

But to be honest MP certainly isn't someone who I'd fear is going to take us two steps backwards. He's shown what he can do in the CL, and in La Liga, with decent teams. Be a brave move by Txiki and co considering how popular Mancini is but I guess that's why they get paid the big bucks.

Well I am...fearful that is

Pellegrini took over Madrid after they spent an unprecedented amount of money on fake Ronnie, Kaka, Alonso et al. After losing in the Copa Del Rey to some second tier outfit the press never got off his back largely by taking the piss. The President criticised the style of play as too negative and losing to Lyon in the CL was the end. There were also many reports of players being disrespectful which given that even Jose has struggled to keep them in line its not that surprising Pellegrini was often ignored by them.

Pellegrini has done an excellent job at Malaga but there is a world of difference between coaching a team where not much is expected and outperforming expectations and coaching a team that is not just expected to do well but is required to do well not just with results but performances.

That is my concern. Pellegrini is not someone I have confidence can handle the job expectations at a top tier club. If it was Ancelotti or Mourinho or Van Gaal I would not have that concern.

 

[Anonymous]

Well I am...fearful that is

Pellegrini took over Madrid after they spent an unprecedented amount of money on fake Ronnie, Kaka, Alonso et al. After losing in the Copa Del Rey to some second tier outfit the press never got off his back largely by taking the piss. The President criticised the style of play as too negative and losing to Lyon in the CL was the end. There were also many reports of players being disrespectful which given that even Jose has struggled to keep them in line its not that surprising Pellegrini was often ignored by them.

Pellegrini has done an excellent job at Malaga but there is a world of difference between coaching a team where not much is expected and outperforming expectations and coaching a team that is not just expected to do well but is required to do well not just with results but performances.

That is my concern. Pellegrini is not someone I have confidence can handle the job expectations at a top tier club. If it was Ancelotti or Mourinho or Van Gaal I would not have that concern.

Petrusha posted this the last time you voiced concern about Pellegrini. I can't better it so I'll just post it again.

With respect, I disagree that Bob K is on the money. He dismisses Pellegrini's stint at Real in a single sentence, saying it "doesn't inspire confidence". In fact, while Real may have failed in the Cups in Pellegrini's only season there, they gained what at the time was the club's record points haul in La Liga. They lost out on the title because what was rated by many as the best club team ever did slightly better. I'd suggest that in terms of showing his ability to handle the spotlight and the pressure, he actually came out of it very well.

In my opinion, it's disingenuous to characterise him as someone who can run a corner shop while Mancini can run Tesco. It's worth noting that he's taken charge of big teams in different South American leagues and won trophies with them all. And let's put his time at Real into some kind of perspective: if Barca had been forcibly relegated for breaches of the rules and Real awarded the title after that season, then been able to buy two top Barca players on the cheap to reinforce their new found dominance, maybe we'd be speaking of his record at Real in the same terms as posters on here laud Mancini's successes at Inter.

I appreciate that Mancini had improved Inter before that first title was awarded. But then Pellegrini in his only season improved Real's points haul by 18 points compared to the previous year, moulding into an effective team a disparate, unbalanced squad full of big egos that resulted from a ridiculously haphazard recruitment policy beyond his control.

So Pellegrini is a coach who's performed well (or better than that) wherever he's been, has a reputation for playing attractive football and for being a highly astute tactician. He has experience of being at probably the biggest club in the world. I'm not arguing that he's in the same league as Mourinho or would give us the same trophy-winning potential that Jose would, but he deserves a bit more respect than he's being shown on here, in my view.

 

[samharris]

It's blue first and foremost, not red like some of the inners have said.

Also everyone seems at peace and happy, we are clear in our thoughts and we wants what is best for the club.

Also the mushrooms on the grass are actually bubblegum and you can drink the water and it'll get you drunk. I discovered why, Jose is at the water filtration system and his magic is turning water into wine! ;)

Of course its Blue wouldnt think owt else,just that Blue could also mean depressed or sad ;)

Brilliant.

It's this colour , no doubt about it ;)

Nice colour that.

 

[OB1]

I kind of talked and read myself into wanting DeBoer more than Pellegrini now.

I know what you mean. This is a really fantastic read for anyone who's interested in De Boer.

<a class="postlink" href="http://jouracule.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/the-evolution-of-frank-de-boer_12.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://jouracule.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12 ... er_12.html</a>

But to be honest MP certainly isn't someone who I'd fear is going to take us two steps backwards. He's shown what he can do in the CL, and in La Liga, with decent teams. Be a brave move by Txiki and co considering how popular Mancini is but I guess that's why they get paid the big bucks.

Billy,

That's a very interesting piece on de Boer. I've not seen much of his work at Ajax but I was impressed by him when we played them. His comments about Nasri and Aguero stuck in my mind; in addition to his tactics.

My current view is that I would rather take a risk on him than MP, if it was a straight choice. And if we were to go for a young up and coming coach, FdB would probably top my list.

 

[Nevizade]

I kind of talked and read myself into wanting DeBoer more than Pellegrini now.

I know what you mean. This is a really fantastic read for anyone who's interested in De Boer.

<a class="postlink" href="http://jouracule.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/the-evolution-of-frank-de-boer_12.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://jouracule.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12 ... er_12.html</a>

But to be honest MP certainly isn't someone who I'd fear is going to take us two steps backwards. He's shown what he can do in the CL, and in La Liga, with decent teams. Be a brave move by Txiki and co considering how popular Mancini is but I guess that's why they get paid the big bucks.

Billy,

That's a very interesting piece on de Boer. I've not seen much of his work at Ajax but I was impressed by him when we played them. His comments about Nasri and Aguero stuck in my mind; in addition to his tactics.

My current view is that I would rather take a risk on him than MP, if it was a straight choice. And if we were to go for a young up and coming coach, FdB would probably top my list.

What were his comments mate on SN and SA mate? Good piece that. I'd also plump for FdB over MP although I do rate MP, worked nothing short of miracles at Villarreal.

 

[larderland]

Di Marzio - In regard to this guy, if he says something I believe him. Guy is genuinely ITK and as said previously his balotelli coverage was amazing.

And hes been the same for the last two seasons

 

[cmdub]

I think it comes down to how we finish the season and what Mancini's attitude is like in this final run of games. I think he's in danger of losing his job but i dont think he's out just yet.. All comes back to the fact for me though that he wasn't appointed by the Spaniards

 

[OB1]

Billy,

That's a very interesting piece on de Boer. I've not seen much of his work at Ajax but I was impressed by him when we played them. His comments about Nasri and Aguero stuck in my mind; in addition to his tactics.

My current view is that I would rather take a risk on him than MP, if it was a straight choice. And if we were to go for a young up and coming coach, FdB would probably top my list.

What were his comments mate on SN and SA mate? Good piece that. I'd also plump for FdB over MP although I do rate MP, worked nothing short of miracles at Villarreal.

Ajax coach Frank de Boer has criticised Manchester City's players in the wake of his side's 3-1 win against the English champions on Wednesday night.

De Boer said that Roberto Mancini's players should not have struggled so much with his change to three at the back after Ajax's second goal.

"If you are at the top level and your manager tells you two things, you have to be able to do it," Setanta Sports quotes De Boer as saying.

"There are always moments in games when Mario Balotelli, Sergio Aguero and Samir Nasri go to sleep. They do not chase the full-back, as they do not believe it is necessary."

 

[larderland]

mancinis record in europe is nothing short of horrific, if ppl look at that and still think he's the man for the future they're deluded.

We got very very very fortunate winning the league last year.

I love him for what he did but hes not the man to make us world dominators

 

[Utter bobbins]

mancinis record in europe is nothing short of horrific, if ppl look at that and still think he's the man for the future they're deluded.

We got very very very fortunate winning the league last year.

I love him for what he did but hes not the man to make us world dominators

Nowt like a bit of exaggeration

 

[robbieh]

Dear oh dear. Pelligrini or de Boer. How far have the outers expectations fallen. While there may have been some logic behind replacing Mancini with Mourinho or Guardiola, replacing him with guys who have won nothing of any note, well frankly it defies belief.

 

[Anonymous]

Dear oh dear. Pelligrini or de Boer. How far have the outers expectations fallen. While there may have been some logic behind replacing Mancini with Mourinho or Guardiola, replacing him with guys who have won nothing of any note, well frankly it defies belief.

Dunno if intentional, but made me laugh.